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We would need to immediately stop the production and sale of all fossil fuels worldwide, at the point of a gun if necessary. The chances of this happening are

We would need to immediately stop the production and sale of all fossil fuels worldwide, at the point of a gun if necessary. The chances of this happening are zero.

jhgfjhgfjhfgjhg 3y ago
That would kill billions of people. Your comment is why people don't take climate change seriously.
myshpa 3y ago
We should use fossil fuels to transition away from fossil fuels asap. And stop using them for things we don't need.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  So that people in poorer countries can use more of them in our place to industrialize and then join everyone else in the gangrape of our environment!
  - danny_codes 3y ago
    But this won't happen. Fossil fuels are the cheapest energy source because of they are already established (economy of scale) and are subsidized heavily. In a world were all major economies have shifted to nuclear power, solar power, and wind power, that will no longer be the case. It will be cheaper for developing countries to use green tech. Also, once the powerful countries have moved off fossil-fuels, we'll hypocritically force poor countries not to use them anyway. Come now, be reasonable.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    https://i.imgur.com/LaEFQmV.png https://i.imgur.com/LaEFQmV.png Source: https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/621305/bn-carbon-inequality-2030-051121-en.pdf;jsessionid=D5606408065DFEF96A8D0E4C8CABDA50?sequence=1 https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10...
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
      What does this have to do with my point, I clearly said they would industrialize
      - myshpa 3y ago
        We could go down a lot, and let them come up a bit higher, so that the change would be still climate positive. Or have I misunderstood your comment?
        BasedAnon 3y ago
        We don't have the ability to go down alot without killing alot of people, and if they come up it will not be possible to limit it because game theory
        myshpa 3y ago
        Sure we have. Use less fossil fuels != kill a lot of people :) Not in the western countries, which waste them left and right.
        BasedAnon 3y ago
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_y5hn 3y ago
We could theoretically stop all emissions today, and the warming would continue for decades and centuries from current CO2 in the atmosphere: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jan/16/greenhouse-gases-remain-air https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jan/16/greenhou...
- myshpa 3y ago
  The solution: large scale reforestation and rewilding.

We would need to immediately stop the production and sale of all fossil fuels worldwide, at the point of a gun if necessary. The chances of this happening are zero.

jhgfjhgfjhfgjhg 3y ago

That would kill billions of people. Your comment is why people don't take climate change seriously.

myshpa 3y ago

We should use fossil fuels to transition away from fossil fuels asap. And stop using them for things we don't need.

BasedAnon 3y ago
So that people in poorer countries can use more of them in our place to industrialize and then join everyone else in the gangrape of our environment!
- danny_codes 3y ago
  But this won't happen. Fossil fuels are the cheapest energy source because of they are already established (economy of scale) and are subsidized heavily. In a world were all major economies have shifted to nuclear power, solar power, and wind power, that will no longer be the case. It will be cheaper for developing countries to use green tech. Also, once the powerful countries have moved off fossil-fuels, we'll hypocritically force poor countries not to use them anyway. Come now, be reasonable.
- myshpa 3y ago
  https://i.imgur.com/LaEFQmV.png https://i.imgur.com/LaEFQmV.png Source: https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/621305/bn-carbon-inequality-2030-051121-en.pdf;jsessionid=D5606408065DFEF96A8D0E4C8CABDA50?sequence=1 https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10...
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    What does this have to do with my point, I clearly said they would industrialize
    - myshpa 3y ago
      We could go down a lot, and let them come up a bit higher, so that the change would be still climate positive. Or have I misunderstood your comment?
      - BasedAnon 3y ago
        We don't have the ability to go down alot without killing alot of people, and if they come up it will not be possible to limit it because game theory
        myshpa 3y ago
        Sure we have. Use less fossil fuels != kill a lot of people :) Not in the western countries, which waste them left and right.
        BasedAnon 3y ago
        [flagged]

_y5hn 3y ago

We could theoretically stop all emissions today, and the warming would continue for decades and centuries from current CO2 in the atmosphere: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jan/16/greenhouse-gases-remain-air https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jan/16/greenhou...

myshpa 3y ago
The solution: large scale reforestation and rewilding.