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> Even if you have full-on Stockholm syndrome in regard to advertisers data-mining your life to sell you garbage, who knows where else your data could be going?

> Even if you have full-on Stockholm syndrome in regard to advertisers data-mining your life to sell you garbage, who knows where else your data could be going? Considering the horrific epidemic of sexual abuse being abetted and covered up in the workplace, is it really too difficult to imagine malicious actors at Discord (or any other technology company) illegitimately accessing the data of their business' users and using it for stalking or other nefarious purposes? Maybe the author could write something based in fact, rather than their dogmatic authoritarian fan fiction? IRC isn't viable for the pretty simple and obvious reason - it lacks features users expect. It's telling that things like Signal and Telegram have built IRC-like services (large chat rooms) not on top of IRC.

judge2020 3y ago
The only threat to message data on Discord is third party bots like mee6 who are gateway connected to tons of public, private, and "small friend-group" servers, vacuuming up every message data to some data lake for later use. This is why Discord pushed Application Commands[0], which only receive data from Discord when the application is initialized by the user, and made Message Contents a privileged intent[1] that requires identity verification if your bot is in 100 or more servers. 0: https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application-commands https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application... 1: https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404772028055-Message-Content-Privileged-Intent-FAQ https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404772028...
- Brybry 3y ago
  I don't think the idea of rogue Discord employees accessing uploaded images for nudes or searching logs for personal information is far fetched. Consider that a Ring employee was doing exactly that, with customer security cameras, and the only reason they were caught is another employee reported them (and Ring has no idea how many other employees were doing the same thing). [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36146062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36146062
  - madeofpalk 3y ago
    If we have rogue Discord employees accessing all server logs to steal nudes, why is IRC not suspectible to the same problem?
    - Brybry 3y ago
      Oh for sure, IRC has a similar problem (except there are no images hosted on IRC). But if the analog for a "private" Discord server is a private IRC server then in one you're trusting all the employees and in the other you're trusting yourself (or whatever admin). And there do exist IRC client plugins that allow for E2EE chat (but I've never met anyone who used them). IRC certainly has plenty of problems and Discord is very convenient but I think assuming privacy is assured on Discord is a bad bet.
stagas 3y ago
The lack of features, is a feature.

judge2020 3y ago

The only threat to message data on Discord is third party bots like mee6 who are gateway connected to tons of public, private, and "small friend-group" servers, vacuuming up every message data to some data lake for later use. This is why Discord pushed Application Commands[0], which only receive data from Discord when the application is initialized by the user, and made Message Contents a privileged intent[1] that requires identity verification if your bot is in 100 or more servers. 0: https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application-commands https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application... 1: https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404772028055-Message-Content-Privileged-Intent-FAQ https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404772028...

Brybry 3y ago
I don't think the idea of rogue Discord employees accessing uploaded images for nudes or searching logs for personal information is far fetched. Consider that a Ring employee was doing exactly that, with customer security cameras, and the only reason they were caught is another employee reported them (and Ring has no idea how many other employees were doing the same thing). [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36146062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36146062
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  If we have rogue Discord employees accessing all server logs to steal nudes, why is IRC not suspectible to the same problem?
  - Brybry 3y ago
    Oh for sure, IRC has a similar problem (except there are no images hosted on IRC). But if the analog for a "private" Discord server is a private IRC server then in one you're trusting all the employees and in the other you're trusting yourself (or whatever admin). And there do exist IRC client plugins that allow for E2EE chat (but I've never met anyone who used them). IRC certainly has plenty of problems and Discord is very convenient but I think assuming privacy is assured on Discord is a bad bet.

stagas 3y ago

The lack of features, is a feature.