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> But due to the ccp baggage, the Chinese influence is much weaker. Due to the "cpp baggage" China is big, influential and has much higher domestic level of li

> But due to the ccp baggage, the Chinese influence is much weaker. Due to the "cpp baggage" China is big, influential and has much higher domestic level of life than India. Why do you think so many Indians are leaving the country? Have you ever been to India?

QuesnayJr 3y ago
This is despite the CCP baggage. Look at Singapore and Taiwan. If it wasn't for the CCP, China would be as rich as Japan and South Korea.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  Very large countries are always much more difficult to govern. The best thing for your median Chinese would be to split to 5 to 50 different countries or at least more independent states
  - xNeil 3y ago
    Why would they want to split up?
- the_lego 3y ago
  This highlights the need to distinguish "CCP baggage" into protectionist trade policy that is (today, not in the past with disasters like the Great Leap Forward) similar to what Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan used to grow their economies, and political repression, which is much worse in China.
- brmgb 3y ago
  China growth rivals Japan before stagflation and this despite not benefiting from major help from foreign countries. I am not too fond of their regime but I don’t understand the comment I read here. If you compare China to its direct neighbour with a similar population, India, you clearly see that they were far more adept at developing their economy. There is a reason the article focus on the diaspora. That’s because the situation inside the country is not that rosy. I think American have a very biased view of China due to the strong anti-Chinese propaganda going on in your media.
- meitham 3y ago
  But China is much richer than both of these countries!
- anticodon 3y ago
  How can you compare anything with Singapore. Singapore is a tiny city state which is thriving in large portion due to geographic rent. Remove geographic rent from the equation, and it would quickly wither.
gloryjulio 3y ago
I'm not sure if u get the point. I am referring to the individuals from China, where the ccp baggage makes them less likely to thrive in the US society. They are either less willing to integrate into the US due to the their ccp upgringing, or more prone to be targeted to be purged(see the recent trump purge of the Chinese scientists), or more prone to actual go back and work with the ccp again. In contrast, the Indians are much closer to the US society, many Indians actually thinks that the US is just a better and richer version of India(source my Indian friends).
- saagarjha 3y ago
  If you think most individuals coming from China bring a “commie mindset” with them here, you are sorely mistaken.
  - gloryjulio 3y ago
    I never said most. I only said they are less likely than the Indians to thrive as a comment to the article. Not sure why you intentionally misread my words
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Consider if your comment could stand alone without that last sentence.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    It’s very possible for an immigrant to believe themselves dissidents in their country of origin, but still carry over attitudes from there, and even later revert to outright loyalty to the regime there. Just look at many late Soviet emigres, who at the time were pleased to escape the USSR and live in the freedom of the West, but later often looked back nostalgically on the USSR or supported Putin’s attempts to restore it. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens with many PRC emigres.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
saagarjha 3y ago
People leave China too…
smt88 3y ago
Chinese influence has nothing to do with the quality of domestic life. Whatever the CCP's effect on Chinese domestic life, their authoritarianism and Uyghur genocode have made China incredibly unpopular among the voters in the world's strongest economies, especially the US. In fact, they're driving Western companies from China to India, which will hugely decrease their global influence.
- anticodon 3y ago
  > Uyghur genocode have made China incredibly unpopular "Uyghur genocide" is a kind of scarecrow that US invents every time when it prepares to destroy an opponent. If a country possesses large deposits of oil (Iraq, Libya) there would be one kind of scarecrow to justify bombing. If the country becomes too influential and threatens US hegemony, there would be another kind of scarecrow. The only thing that is these libels tell: USA is preparing to attack the country and they need a justification for further bombing. E.g. I'm 90% sure USA is preparing to start a proxy war with China using Taiwan as pretext and cannon fodder. Just like the war in Ukraine which is actually war between USA and Russia.
audunw 3y ago
PRC did some things right. I won’t fault them for having an authoritarian phase. Taiwan and South Korea did too. So far they’ve done better than India. Although, perhaps, in ways that doomed them in the long run (one child policy) But if you compare PRC with for instance Taiwan/ROC, it’s clear that China could have been much more powerful and influential than they are today if they hadn’t been so distracted by disastrous communist ideology/fantasy. They had a chance at becoming the number one superpower, but they blew it.

QuesnayJr 3y ago

This is despite the CCP baggage. Look at Singapore and Taiwan. If it wasn't for the CCP, China would be as rich as Japan and South Korea.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
Very large countries are always much more difficult to govern. The best thing for your median Chinese would be to split to 5 to 50 different countries or at least more independent states
- xNeil 3y ago
  Why would they want to split up?
the_lego 3y ago
This highlights the need to distinguish "CCP baggage" into protectionist trade policy that is (today, not in the past with disasters like the Great Leap Forward) similar to what Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan used to grow their economies, and political repression, which is much worse in China.
brmgb 3y ago
China growth rivals Japan before stagflation and this despite not benefiting from major help from foreign countries. I am not too fond of their regime but I don’t understand the comment I read here. If you compare China to its direct neighbour with a similar population, India, you clearly see that they were far more adept at developing their economy. There is a reason the article focus on the diaspora. That’s because the situation inside the country is not that rosy. I think American have a very biased view of China due to the strong anti-Chinese propaganda going on in your media.
meitham 3y ago
But China is much richer than both of these countries!
anticodon 3y ago
How can you compare anything with Singapore. Singapore is a tiny city state which is thriving in large portion due to geographic rent. Remove geographic rent from the equation, and it would quickly wither.

gloryjulio 3y ago

I'm not sure if u get the point. I am referring to the individuals from China, where the ccp baggage makes them less likely to thrive in the US society. They are either less willing to integrate into the US due to the their ccp upgringing, or more prone to be targeted to be purged(see the recent trump purge of the Chinese scientists), or more prone to actual go back and work with the ccp again. In contrast, the Indians are much closer to the US society, many Indians actually thinks that the US is just a better and richer version of India(source my Indian friends).

saagarjha 3y ago
If you think most individuals coming from China bring a “commie mindset” with them here, you are sorely mistaken.
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  I never said most. I only said they are less likely than the Indians to thrive as a comment to the article. Not sure why you intentionally misread my words
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    Consider if your comment could stand alone without that last sentence.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  It’s very possible for an immigrant to believe themselves dissidents in their country of origin, but still carry over attitudes from there, and even later revert to outright loyalty to the regime there. Just look at many late Soviet emigres, who at the time were pleased to escape the USSR and live in the freedom of the West, but later often looked back nostalgically on the USSR or supported Putin’s attempts to restore it. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens with many PRC emigres.
  - saagarjha 3y ago

saagarjha 3y ago

People leave China too…

smt88 3y ago

Chinese influence has nothing to do with the quality of domestic life. Whatever the CCP's effect on Chinese domestic life, their authoritarianism and Uyghur genocode have made China incredibly unpopular among the voters in the world's strongest economies, especially the US. In fact, they're driving Western companies from China to India, which will hugely decrease their global influence.

anticodon 3y ago
> Uyghur genocode have made China incredibly unpopular "Uyghur genocide" is a kind of scarecrow that US invents every time when it prepares to destroy an opponent. If a country possesses large deposits of oil (Iraq, Libya) there would be one kind of scarecrow to justify bombing. If the country becomes too influential and threatens US hegemony, there would be another kind of scarecrow. The only thing that is these libels tell: USA is preparing to attack the country and they need a justification for further bombing. E.g. I'm 90% sure USA is preparing to start a proxy war with China using Taiwan as pretext and cannon fodder. Just like the war in Ukraine which is actually war between USA and Russia.

audunw 3y ago

PRC did some things right. I won’t fault them for having an authoritarian phase. Taiwan and South Korea did too. So far they’ve done better than India. Although, perhaps, in ways that doomed them in the long run (one child policy) But if you compare PRC with for instance Taiwan/ROC, it’s clear that China could have been much more powerful and influential than they are today if they hadn’t been so distracted by disastrous communist ideology/fantasy. They had a chance at becoming the number one superpower, but they blew it.