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Or maybe the USA has deregulated itself into a corner where there is no more privacy. Any piece of data can be used for virtually anything as long as big corpor

by lewhoo 3y ago

Or maybe the USA has deregulated itself into a corner where there is no more privacy. Any piece of data can be used for virtually anything as long as big corporations pat you on the back and ensure no "human eyes" will see/process it. If you think the EU is a market that's easily ignored then I guess we'll see in a few years whether easily replaceable batteries come back or not. >The economic upsides of AI look like they will be huge. The economic and social downsides might be also huge. Remains to be seen and I'm glad the EU isn't diving head first into murky waters.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." It's just the ultimately realization of the founding father. Most people long stopped caring about privacy. >If you think the EU is a market that's easily ignored then I guess we'll see in a few years whether easily replaceable batteries come back or not. I do truly want to see this result. I can honestly see it going either way. Apple has a long history of simply paying off EU fines.
- popcorncowboy 3y ago
  > Most people long stopped caring about privacy. Nah. This is only because the effect for most people of the LOSS of their privacy is usually unseen to them. So it feels like privacy/no-privacy is the same thing, no consequence. So, no outcry. No big deal. That apathy is not endorsement or abdication of caring. IT is the same psychological effect as smoking. We all hear "how bad it is". But then you have one. And... nothing. Actually it feels good. And another. Nothing. And another and so on. What are people whining about? Years later, consequences.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    Unseen sure, maybe back in 2010. Nowadays all this is taught in Grade school. If people want to still use Meta or Tiktok or whatnot despite supposedly being taught this growing up: I don't know what to say. >IT is the same psychological effect as smoking. I think smoking is a great analogue for this. It did take decades, but we did slowly get people to care about this without needing to suffer the consequences firsthand. I was hoping we could streamline that a bit quicker this time, but alas. I guess we need to let it spin for a few more generations to get the ball rolling.
    - popcorncowboy 3y ago
      You make my argument. Kids also get taught about smoking in school. It's hammered into them everywhere, all the time. There are massive social prohibitions on smoking. And yet. The whole point is that people massively discount harms that are not immediately and visibly consequential.
      - johnnyanmac 3y ago
        yet... smoking rates have been trending dowards for 20 years? https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco... I'm not expecting everyone to be perfectly healthy, ethically minded citizen.I certainly am not. Just an perceived consensus (well, "just". Still asking for the moon apparently). I'd be over the moon if we had 37% rates of people who cared about privacy (the peak of teen smoking rates since they started collecting/publicizing that part of data in 1991). let alone 63%.

by lewhoo 3y ago

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." It's just the ultimately realization of the founding father. Most people long stopped caring about privacy. >If you think the EU is a market that's easily ignored then I guess we'll see in a few years whether easily replaceable batteries come back or not. I do truly want to see this result. I can honestly see it going either way. Apple has a long history of simply paying off EU fines.

popcorncowboy 3y ago
> Most people long stopped caring about privacy. Nah. This is only because the effect for most people of the LOSS of their privacy is usually unseen to them. So it feels like privacy/no-privacy is the same thing, no consequence. So, no outcry. No big deal. That apathy is not endorsement or abdication of caring. IT is the same psychological effect as smoking. We all hear "how bad it is". But then you have one. And... nothing. Actually it feels good. And another. Nothing. And another and so on. What are people whining about? Years later, consequences.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  Unseen sure, maybe back in 2010. Nowadays all this is taught in Grade school. If people want to still use Meta or Tiktok or whatnot despite supposedly being taught this growing up: I don't know what to say. >IT is the same psychological effect as smoking. I think smoking is a great analogue for this. It did take decades, but we did slowly get people to care about this without needing to suffer the consequences firsthand. I was hoping we could streamline that a bit quicker this time, but alas. I guess we need to let it spin for a few more generations to get the ball rolling.
  - popcorncowboy 3y ago
    You make my argument. Kids also get taught about smoking in school. It's hammered into them everywhere, all the time. There are massive social prohibitions on smoking. And yet. The whole point is that people massively discount harms that are not immediately and visibly consequential.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      yet... smoking rates have been trending dowards for 20 years? https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco... I'm not expecting everyone to be perfectly healthy, ethically minded citizen.I certainly am not. Just an perceived consensus (well, "just". Still asking for the moon apparently). I'd be over the moon if we had 37% rates of people who cared about privacy (the peak of teen smoking rates since they started collecting/publicizing that part of data in 1991). let alone 63%.