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I would appreciate a read about people behind EU technology regulation rage. Are there any specific lobbying group behind that or is it just some form of collec

by oytis 3y ago

I would appreciate a read about people behind EU technology regulation rage. Are there any specific lobbying group behind that or is it just some form of collective thinking? I might be bad at web search, but I couldn't find a single human name on EU AI act - and, FWIW, GDPR.

nologic01 3y ago
Its a shadowy groupthink behavior that encompasses the european parliament, the eu member state government executive branches and the EU commission itself (as all must agree for EU wide legislation). A cunning trick to spread responsibility widely so that you can not hold anybody to account. I believe they call it democracy or some other such arcane and outdated term.
- oytis 3y ago
  Democracy requires transparency about how decisions are made, so that I could vote based on whether I support representative's and parties' actions. E.g. if a law is proposed in German parliament it's pretty much open information who introduced it, who objected with what arguments, who supported it with what arguments etc. Either I am missing something or EU structures are much less transparent
  - nologic01 3y ago
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/ https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/ and other similar links. There is vast amount of transparency available online, even in real time. Certainly who proposes what, which party groups vote for what etc. Its not perfect but you original comment way of the mark.
- pravus 3y ago
  It is the iron law of oligarchy.
troupo 3y ago
> I might be bad at web search, but I couldn't find a single human name on EU AI act - and, FWIW, GDPR. Because you're bad at search I believe. 1. Many laws "don't have a human face" because they are more often than not the result of committees working for several years. Who then presents the law in the parliament is largely irrelevant. Do you believe US laws have a human face? 2. If you go to https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IPR84904/ai-act-a-step-closer-to-the-first-rules-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IP... you can do the following: - click on "Legislative train" to see people: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-europe-fit-for-the-digital-age/file-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-eur... - click on "Draft reports, amendments tabled in committee" and see people: https://emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/emeeting/committee/en/agenda/202305/LIBE https://emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/emeeting/committee/en/ag... And there you can click on each person and see who they are and where they come from.

by oytis 3y ago

nologic01 3y ago

Its a shadowy groupthink behavior that encompasses the european parliament, the eu member state government executive branches and the EU commission itself (as all must agree for EU wide legislation). A cunning trick to spread responsibility widely so that you can not hold anybody to account. I believe they call it democracy or some other such arcane and outdated term.

oytis 3y ago
Democracy requires transparency about how decisions are made, so that I could vote based on whether I support representative's and parties' actions. E.g. if a law is proposed in German parliament it's pretty much open information who introduced it, who objected with what arguments, who supported it with what arguments etc. Either I am missing something or EU structures are much less transparent
- nologic01 3y ago
  https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/ https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/ and other similar links. There is vast amount of transparency available online, even in real time. Certainly who proposes what, which party groups vote for what etc. Its not perfect but you original comment way of the mark.
pravus 3y ago
It is the iron law of oligarchy.

troupo 3y ago

> I might be bad at web search, but I couldn't find a single human name on EU AI act - and, FWIW, GDPR. Because you're bad at search I believe. 1. Many laws "don't have a human face" because they are more often than not the result of committees working for several years. Who then presents the law in the parliament is largely irrelevant. Do you believe US laws have a human face? 2. If you go to https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IPR84904/ai-act-a-step-closer-to-the-first-rules-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IP... you can do the following: - click on "Legislative train" to see people: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-europe-fit-for-the-digital-age/file-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-eur... - click on "Draft reports, amendments tabled in committee" and see people: https://emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/emeeting/committee/en/agenda/202305/LIBE https://emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/emeeting/committee/en/ag... And there you can click on each person and see who they are and where they come from.