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> introducing another layer of "barely elected" government If the UK really cared about unelected government, why don't they get rid of their House of Lords? T
by Thiez 3y ago
> introducing another layer of "barely elected" government
If the UK really cared about unelected government, why don't they get rid of their House of Lords? This would have been much less painful than Brexit. It looks a lot like this unelected government complaint is just an excuse and not something that they actually care about.
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- Nursie 3y agoI’m not on-side with Brexit, but it’s not like the UK public have been given the chance to vote on dissolving the lords at this point.
- mcpackieh 3y agoThat's the kind of opportunity which must be seized, not received. The French figured this out but the British probably never will.
- Nursie 3y agoBloody revolution is not really appropriate here, the majority of the House of Lords is already not hereditary - of 780 seats, 90 are occupied by hereditary peers and AFAICT they will no longer pass their seats on. The issue is whether the leaders of the commons should be able to appoint people to the upper chamber for life, whether the church should have a seat at the table etc. Or whether the upper chamber should be directly elected. It’s a matter of governance and constitution more than embedded privilege. So as much as “Guillotine the nobs” would be a popular cry, most of them aren’t nobs in the first place.
- mcpackieh 3y agoThis kind of cope is why you'll continue to be stuck with them.
- Nursie 3y agoI don’t live there, and explaining the situation, which you clearly don’t understand, is not ‘cope’.
- mcpackieh 3y agoI am confident that you have accurately conveyed the British mentality towards their circumstance, and therefore the reason their circumstance will continue.
- Nursie 3y agoI am confident you don’t understand what their circumstance is, such that your comments comparing it to the French situation a couple of centuries ago are born from nothing more than ignorance.
- dfawcus 3y agoHmm... French Revolution - 1789. English Revolution - 1649. So the English cut off their Monarch's head before the French did. But we then invited the Monarch's back after not liking the republic of the "Lord Protector". Admittedly the English state, not the later British state, but anyway...
- atlantic 3y agoI don't think they care about unelected government - a relative novelty in historical terms - so much as being ruled by foreigners.