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People buy SUVs because they’re comfortable. You are more upright, have more space, car seats fit, you can haul around your junk without thinking or planning.

People buy SUVs because they’re comfortable. You are more upright, have more space, car seats fit, you can haul around your junk without thinking or planning. Most people driving SUVs have not and will never kill a cyclist or pedestrian.

franga2000 3y ago
> Most people driving SUVs have not and will never kill a cyclist or pedestrian. But far more have/will compared to those driving normal cars (including comfortable ones that fit car seats and plenty of junk).
- yostrovs 3y ago
  I was hit by a bicyclist once. He could have chosen to walk, but instead he chose to ride at something like 25mph down the same path as I was walking. He saved a few minutes. A lot more people get injured from bicycles than from safety minded pedestrians.
  - franga2000 3y ago
    Yes, this happens, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That, like cars, bicycles should also be separated from pedestrians? I agree, dedicated cycle lanes are great and we should have more of them. But this is an entirely separate issue.
  - olddustytrail 3y ago
    No they don't. Far more pedestrians are injured by other pedestrians than by cyclists. If you're going to make up a story, try to make it realistic.
MandieD 3y ago
“you can haul around your junk without thinking or planning” A lack of thinking and planning seems to be the root cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s not active malice - it’s just thoughtlessness in the service of convenience and comfort.
- frumper 3y ago
  Cool, thanks for responding about one. I’d rather not have to worry about how to fit our double stroller, pack n play and bags in our sedan.
  - fnimick 3y ago
    "I'm happy knowing that my vehicle choice is making the roads more dangerous and making me specifically more likely to kill someone else in an accident because it makes my life easier" Sure, but actually own that choice. Say your convenience is worth someone else's safety.
    - throw9away6 3y ago
      My safety is worth more to me than yours. We would all be safer if we didn’t have to race to the bottom but such is life and them are the rules. Change the rules and I’ll change my behavior.
  - MandieD 3y ago
    Kid stuff is a lot bulkier in the US, from what I’ve seen. We fit into a Ford Focus station wagon what my sister-in-law in Texas perceived herself to need a Tahoe for (instead of her “little” Mazda CX-5). Our neighbors with two kids tend to be station wagon owners, too. Another has a Toyota Proace, which is an amazing amount of cargo capacity but still plays nicer with regular cars and non-car traffic because it’s originally a sedan underneath (the Peugeot 306, I believe). I sometimes have to waste 15 minutes or so organizing the car when some new piece comes into the puzzle, true. We’re also a bit more deliberate about when we actually use the car - keeping another set of kid stuff at Oma and Opa’s makes the train a lot easier, and is far less expensive than owning a larger vehicle. But this all requires a bit of planning and deprioritizing our immediate convenience.

franga2000 3y ago

> Most people driving SUVs have not and will never kill a cyclist or pedestrian. But far more have/will compared to those driving normal cars (including comfortable ones that fit car seats and plenty of junk).

yostrovs 3y ago
I was hit by a bicyclist once. He could have chosen to walk, but instead he chose to ride at something like 25mph down the same path as I was walking. He saved a few minutes. A lot more people get injured from bicycles than from safety minded pedestrians.
- franga2000 3y ago
  Yes, this happens, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That, like cars, bicycles should also be separated from pedestrians? I agree, dedicated cycle lanes are great and we should have more of them. But this is an entirely separate issue.
- olddustytrail 3y ago
  No they don't. Far more pedestrians are injured by other pedestrians than by cyclists. If you're going to make up a story, try to make it realistic.

MandieD 3y ago

“you can haul around your junk without thinking or planning” A lack of thinking and planning seems to be the root cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s not active malice - it’s just thoughtlessness in the service of convenience and comfort.

frumper 3y ago
Cool, thanks for responding about one. I’d rather not have to worry about how to fit our double stroller, pack n play and bags in our sedan.
- fnimick 3y ago
  "I'm happy knowing that my vehicle choice is making the roads more dangerous and making me specifically more likely to kill someone else in an accident because it makes my life easier" Sure, but actually own that choice. Say your convenience is worth someone else's safety.
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    My safety is worth more to me than yours. We would all be safer if we didn’t have to race to the bottom but such is life and them are the rules. Change the rules and I’ll change my behavior.
- MandieD 3y ago
  Kid stuff is a lot bulkier in the US, from what I’ve seen. We fit into a Ford Focus station wagon what my sister-in-law in Texas perceived herself to need a Tahoe for (instead of her “little” Mazda CX-5). Our neighbors with two kids tend to be station wagon owners, too. Another has a Toyota Proace, which is an amazing amount of cargo capacity but still plays nicer with regular cars and non-car traffic because it’s originally a sedan underneath (the Peugeot 306, I believe). I sometimes have to waste 15 minutes or so organizing the car when some new piece comes into the puzzle, true. We’re also a bit more deliberate about when we actually use the car - keeping another set of kid stuff at Oma and Opa’s makes the train a lot easier, and is far less expensive than owning a larger vehicle. But this all requires a bit of planning and deprioritizing our immediate convenience.