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There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, e

There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.

adave 3y ago
You are out of touch, M1/M2 runs circles around any other silicon and the pro line has great design and usage for convenience built in. The solid resale price is the proof as no windows device is worth anything used.
wredue 3y ago
Surface laptops are priced pretty well on par with apple for a worse screen, quality, and battery life. Literally no other laptop provides a competitive battery life, screen or build even compared to the surface. I literally just bought a new laptop 3 months ago, and almost zero windows laptops were reasonably competitive with the MacBook for a dev. Could just be because I have a powerful gaming PC, but I definitely found that windows laptops did not meet up to a decent standard.
- goosedragons 3y ago
  There's loads of nice "build" (just admit you want metal please) Windows laptops with nice screens. Asus ZenBook line for example. Can even get OLED.
  - Spooky23 3y ago
    Not at the same price-point at quantity 1. If you as a consumer buy a nice HP Spectre, it will be more than an equivalent MacBook barring a sale or clearance. I buy 10,000 at a time, and get about 30% off.
    - goosedragons 3y ago
      https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-oled-um3504da-ds76-156-laptop-computer-basalt-grey https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-o... A 15" MBA with the max 24GB RAM and a 1TB drive would cost $2100. Note the Zenbook is not on sale, has a 120Hz HiDPI OLED display and aluminum chassis.
saagarjha 3y ago
Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.
- behringer 3y ago
  Really? I guess I'm out of touch.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/. In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.
  - extra88 3y ago
    They meant if the person was right, the PC would have to cost $500-600. A PC laptop being in that price range and equal or better than a MacBook Air is a fantasy. ARM and Intel laptops are directly comparable because you can compare what people can do them. Not all ARM processors are created equal, Apple's are superior in iPhones and laptops, there's no reason to expect that to change in the near future.
    - yellowapple 3y ago
      > Not all ARM processors are created equal Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.
      - extra88 3y ago
        I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general, just performance. For those people, there are x86 laptops that can outperform Apple's ARM-based laptops (not to mention having discrete GPI options).
Spooky23 3y ago
Only if you don’t care about screen, battery life or user interface. Caveat. If windows matters, or you’re talking about the generation of defective MacBooks with a bad keyboard, I’d concede that a top of the line HP, Dell or Lenovo is a better choice.
mattl 3y ago
Please share a link to any laptop that’s even close to performance/battery of the base level MacBook Air in a similar form factor.

adave 3y ago

You are out of touch, M1/M2 runs circles around any other silicon and the pro line has great design and usage for convenience built in. The solid resale price is the proof as no windows device is worth anything used.

wredue 3y ago

Surface laptops are priced pretty well on par with apple for a worse screen, quality, and battery life. Literally no other laptop provides a competitive battery life, screen or build even compared to the surface. I literally just bought a new laptop 3 months ago, and almost zero windows laptops were reasonably competitive with the MacBook for a dev. Could just be because I have a powerful gaming PC, but I definitely found that windows laptops did not meet up to a decent standard.

goosedragons 3y ago
There's loads of nice "build" (just admit you want metal please) Windows laptops with nice screens. Asus ZenBook line for example. Can even get OLED.
- Spooky23 3y ago
  Not at the same price-point at quantity 1. If you as a consumer buy a nice HP Spectre, it will be more than an equivalent MacBook barring a sale or clearance. I buy 10,000 at a time, and get about 30% off.
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-oled-um3504da-ds76-156-laptop-computer-basalt-grey https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-o... A 15" MBA with the max 24GB RAM and a 1TB drive would cost $2100. Note the Zenbook is not on sale, has a 120Hz HiDPI OLED display and aluminum chassis.

saagarjha 3y ago

Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.

behringer 3y ago
Really? I guess I'm out of touch.
yellowapple 3y ago
I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/. In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.
- extra88 3y ago
  They meant if the person was right, the PC would have to cost $500-600. A PC laptop being in that price range and equal or better than a MacBook Air is a fantasy. ARM and Intel laptops are directly comparable because you can compare what people can do them. Not all ARM processors are created equal, Apple's are superior in iPhones and laptops, there's no reason to expect that to change in the near future.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    > Not all ARM processors are created equal Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.
    - extra88 3y ago
      I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general, just performance. For those people, there are x86 laptops that can outperform Apple's ARM-based laptops (not to mention having discrete GPI options).

Spooky23 3y ago

Only if you don’t care about screen, battery life or user interface. Caveat. If windows matters, or you’re talking about the generation of defective MacBooks with a bad keyboard, I’d concede that a top of the line HP, Dell or Lenovo is a better choice.

mattl 3y ago

Please share a link to any laptop that’s even close to performance/battery of the base level MacBook Air in a similar form factor.