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People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphon

People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range. And as a professional developer that uses a mac (that is by far the best bang for the buck if you're not into gaming) it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value. I doubt many people in developed countries care that much about the fact that you use an apple device or not, that's the kind of shit you'd expect from developing nations like Brazil (where I'm from), where they do remain a status symbol mostly because the population in general is still pretty poor.

behringer 3y ago
There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.
- adave 3y ago
  You are out of touch, M1/M2 runs circles around any other silicon and the pro line has great design and usage for convenience built in. The solid resale price is the proof as no windows device is worth anything used.
- wredue 3y ago
  Surface laptops are priced pretty well on par with apple for a worse screen, quality, and battery life. Literally no other laptop provides a competitive battery life, screen or build even compared to the surface. I literally just bought a new laptop 3 months ago, and almost zero windows laptops were reasonably competitive with the MacBook for a dev. Could just be because I have a powerful gaming PC, but I definitely found that windows laptops did not meet up to a decent standard.
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    There's loads of nice "build" (just admit you want metal please) Windows laptops with nice screens. Asus ZenBook line for example. Can even get OLED.
    - Spooky23 3y ago
      Not at the same price-point at quantity 1. If you as a consumer buy a nice HP Spectre, it will be more than an equivalent MacBook barring a sale or clearance. I buy 10,000 at a time, and get about 30% off.
      - goosedragons 3y ago
        https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-oled-um3504da-ds76-156-laptop-computer-basalt-grey https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-o... A 15" MBA with the max 24GB RAM and a 1TB drive would cost $2100. Note the Zenbook is not on sale, has a 120Hz HiDPI OLED display and aluminum chassis.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.
  - behringer 3y ago
    Really? I guess I'm out of touch.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/. In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.
    - extra88 3y ago
      They meant if the person was right, the PC would have to cost $500-600. A PC laptop being in that price range and equal or better than a MacBook Air is a fantasy. ARM and Intel laptops are directly comparable because you can compare what people can do them. Not all ARM processors are created equal, Apple's are superior in iPhones and laptops, there's no reason to expect that to change in the near future.
      - yellowapple 3y ago
        > Not all ARM processors are created equal Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.
        extra88 3y ago
        I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general, just performance. For those people, there are x86 laptops that can outperform Apple's ARM-based laptops (not to mention having discrete GPI options).
- Spooky23 3y ago
  Only if you don’t care about screen, battery life or user interface. Caveat. If windows matters, or you’re talking about the generation of defective MacBooks with a bad keyboard, I’d concede that a top of the line HP, Dell or Lenovo is a better choice.
- mattl 3y ago
  Please share a link to any laptop that’s even close to performance/battery of the base level MacBook Air in a similar form factor.
thunky 3y ago
> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software? Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc). And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice.
- ericmay 3y ago
  > And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice. The same reason you use Chrome and then also Google Maps and Gmail. Just swap a Mac with Chrome and an iPhone with Gmail. There are lots of little features like being able to copy on my iPhone and then it’s saved into a shared clipboard so that I can paste into my Mac. Those kinds of things (there are many, many others and you can look them up for yourself) are why someone would be influenced to choose an iPhone if they are using a Mac. As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem but I would expect Apple users to use it less than others since Apple provides good enough alternatives such as Safari, Apple Maps, iCloud, etc.
  - thunky 3y ago
    > As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem Yeah this is what I was thinking. Apple users will tend to use two ecosystems instead of one. Personally, I wouldn't even think about my laptop when choosing a phone. But I would think about the fact that I use several Google services and I'd rather not duplicate them with Mac accounts/apps.
- deleted 3y ago
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- kalleboo 3y ago
  Someone else mentioned the clipboard sync (which is amazingly handy), but it goes so far as to the iPhone camera showing up across the macOS as both a document scanner as well as a webcam (which blows the pants off of any USB webcam on the market), and things like being able to cast your screen from your iPhone to a Mac's display. Now I'm sure all of these things are possible on other platforms using extra software but in the ecosystem it's all zero setup, instantly integrated and quite reliable.
cultofmetatron 3y ago
> I doubt many people in developed countries care that much about the fact that you use an apple device or not Girls absolutely covet iphones like sacred cows. some go as far as to not date guys who use android. its weird but I've seen it myself.
- TheHappyOddish 3y ago
  From my world experience, this is a pure Americanism. And Americans broadly seem to care a more about status than the other 95% of the worlds population.
  - cultofmetatron 3y ago
    go to latin america. I bought a phone for a girl awhile back while I was there. she literally chose a used 3 year old iphone over a brand new android that costs more. I even showed her that the secs on the android were objectively better. "Quierro un iphone!!" its definitely not an american only thing
    - mattl 3y ago
      I don’t think I would ever use an Android phone again, I used one very early one and then stopped around the Pixel. For me, an iPhone is better than any Android phone. I don’t know why this is surprising to many people.
- piuantiderp 3y ago
  It's more of a filter for a certain mindset even if some cannot articulate it: iPhone -> pragmatism

behringer 3y ago

There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.

adave 3y ago
You are out of touch, M1/M2 runs circles around any other silicon and the pro line has great design and usage for convenience built in. The solid resale price is the proof as no windows device is worth anything used.
wredue 3y ago
Surface laptops are priced pretty well on par with apple for a worse screen, quality, and battery life. Literally no other laptop provides a competitive battery life, screen or build even compared to the surface. I literally just bought a new laptop 3 months ago, and almost zero windows laptops were reasonably competitive with the MacBook for a dev. Could just be because I have a powerful gaming PC, but I definitely found that windows laptops did not meet up to a decent standard.
- goosedragons 3y ago
  There's loads of nice "build" (just admit you want metal please) Windows laptops with nice screens. Asus ZenBook line for example. Can even get OLED.
  - Spooky23 3y ago
    Not at the same price-point at quantity 1. If you as a consumer buy a nice HP Spectre, it will be more than an equivalent MacBook barring a sale or clearance. I buy 10,000 at a time, and get about 30% off.
    - goosedragons 3y ago
      https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-oled-um3504da-ds76-156-laptop-computer-basalt-grey https://www.microcenter.com/product/666870/asus-zenbook-15-o... A 15" MBA with the max 24GB RAM and a 1TB drive would cost $2100. Note the Zenbook is not on sale, has a 120Hz HiDPI OLED display and aluminum chassis.
saagarjha 3y ago
Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.
- behringer 3y ago
  Really? I guess I'm out of touch.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/. In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.
  - extra88 3y ago
    They meant if the person was right, the PC would have to cost $500-600. A PC laptop being in that price range and equal or better than a MacBook Air is a fantasy. ARM and Intel laptops are directly comparable because you can compare what people can do them. Not all ARM processors are created equal, Apple's are superior in iPhones and laptops, there's no reason to expect that to change in the near future.
    - yellowapple 3y ago
      > Not all ARM processors are created equal Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.
      - extra88 3y ago
        I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general, just performance. For those people, there are x86 laptops that can outperform Apple's ARM-based laptops (not to mention having discrete GPI options).
Spooky23 3y ago
Only if you don’t care about screen, battery life or user interface. Caveat. If windows matters, or you’re talking about the generation of defective MacBooks with a bad keyboard, I’d concede that a top of the line HP, Dell or Lenovo is a better choice.
mattl 3y ago
Please share a link to any laptop that’s even close to performance/battery of the base level MacBook Air in a similar form factor.

thunky 3y ago

> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software? Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc). And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice.

ericmay 3y ago
> And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice. The same reason you use Chrome and then also Google Maps and Gmail. Just swap a Mac with Chrome and an iPhone with Gmail. There are lots of little features like being able to copy on my iPhone and then it’s saved into a shared clipboard so that I can paste into my Mac. Those kinds of things (there are many, many others and you can look them up for yourself) are why someone would be influenced to choose an iPhone if they are using a Mac. As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem but I would expect Apple users to use it less than others since Apple provides good enough alternatives such as Safari, Apple Maps, iCloud, etc.
- thunky 3y ago
  > As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem Yeah this is what I was thinking. Apple users will tend to use two ecosystems instead of one. Personally, I wouldn't even think about my laptop when choosing a phone. But I would think about the fact that I use several Google services and I'd rather not duplicate them with Mac accounts/apps.
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kalleboo 3y ago
Someone else mentioned the clipboard sync (which is amazingly handy), but it goes so far as to the iPhone camera showing up across the macOS as both a document scanner as well as a webcam (which blows the pants off of any USB webcam on the market), and things like being able to cast your screen from your iPhone to a Mac's display. Now I'm sure all of these things are possible on other platforms using extra software but in the ecosystem it's all zero setup, instantly integrated and quite reliable.

cultofmetatron 3y ago

> I doubt many people in developed countries care that much about the fact that you use an apple device or not Girls absolutely covet iphones like sacred cows. some go as far as to not date guys who use android. its weird but I've seen it myself.

TheHappyOddish 3y ago
From my world experience, this is a pure Americanism. And Americans broadly seem to care a more about status than the other 95% of the worlds population.
- cultofmetatron 3y ago
  go to latin america. I bought a phone for a girl awhile back while I was there. she literally chose a used 3 year old iphone over a brand new android that costs more. I even showed her that the secs on the android were objectively better. "Quierro un iphone!!" its definitely not an american only thing
  - mattl 3y ago
    I don’t think I would ever use an Android phone again, I used one very early one and then stopped around the Pixel. For me, an iPhone is better than any Android phone. I don’t know why this is surprising to many people.
piuantiderp 3y ago
It's more of a filter for a certain mindset even if some cannot articulate it: iPhone -> pragmatism