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Funny thing is, this doesn’t hurt criminals at all. If you’re doing serious crime, you bring your own encryption. There are cartels that spend a lot of money r

by xwdv 3y ago

Funny thing is, this doesn’t hurt criminals at all. If you’re doing serious crime, you bring your own encryption. There are cartels that spend a lot of money rolling their own crypto.

kypro 3y ago
In the UK we have a huge problem with children sending hateful communications online which cause anxiety and distress. As it stands we can only arrest children who are doing this in public but banning encryption should give authorities more power to arrest children who are committing these crimes in private (eg on WhatsApp). The list really of hate crimes being committed online is endless and these are just the criminals doing this in public: https://news.sky.com/story/teenager-jailed-for-sending-racist-tweet-to-marcus-rashford-after-euro-2020-final-12578310 https://news.sky.com/story/teenager-jailed-for-sending-racis... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4381692 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4381692 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52877886 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52877886
- morkalork 3y ago
  Are you being serious? Racist trolls causing "anxiety and distress" is justification for undermining everyone's security and privacy? Shame.
  - kypro 3y ago
    I am trolling, but in my opinion this is likely the reason for the attack on encryption. Everyone occasionally says bad things in private, so banning encryption and policing hate speech laws basically criminalises everyone.
    - morkalork 3y ago
      Well, I just hope you're preaching to the choir about that here. All have to add is that the people deciding these laws also enjoy parliamentary privilege which exempts them from slander and libel charges. Isn't that nice? They can be untouchable while you and I get to have our stripped away.
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  I'm going to assume this is the case: "I'll sometimes use sarcasm as a tool to make you think harder about an opinion expressed."
  - kypro 3y ago
    Yeah, cool you read that. I find being highly disagreeable often helps makes a point. It's find it can be hard to invoke appropriate emotional outrage with a well reasoned argument.
    - xwdv 3y ago
      This only works if you really commit to remaining disagreeable and never reveal that it was all a ruse.
- Kamq 3y ago
  Is this satire? Between being pro child-arrest, and using the phrase "anxiety and distress", which seems to be rather uncommon, and is the exact same phrasing as your 3rd link, I'm starting to feel like parody is the most likely option.
  - nvarsj 3y ago
    Sounds a lot like something the U.K. Home Secretary would say, sadly.
    - Kamq 3y ago
      That's... disappointing. But, I guess values drift is a thing. My country hasn't been part of theirs for quite a long time, and I guess it has just diverged to that point.
- jjgreen 3y ago
  Ironically, irony is no longer possible in the UK.
morkalork 3y ago
Heck, they roll their own infra. Billions in cash buys a lot of tech. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-telecoms-cartels-specialreport-idUSKCN24G1DN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-telecoms-cartels-s...
- xwdv 3y ago
  Yes, it’s laughable to think they will use the same compromised channels as the masses. These are serious businesses. Some cyber crime operations have something similar to AWS. I’ve seen it.
tim333 3y ago
This assumes criminals are not stupid which is not always the case.

by xwdv 3y ago

Funny thing is, this doesn’t hurt criminals at all. If you’re doing serious crime, you bring your own encryption. There are cartels that spend a lot of money rolling their own crypto.

kypro 3y ago

In the UK we have a huge problem with children sending hateful communications online which cause anxiety and distress. As it stands we can only arrest children who are doing this in public but banning encryption should give authorities more power to arrest children who are committing these crimes in private (eg on WhatsApp). The list really of hate crimes being committed online is endless and these are just the criminals doing this in public: https://news.sky.com/story/teenager-jailed-for-sending-racist-tweet-to-marcus-rashford-after-euro-2020-final-12578310 https://news.sky.com/story/teenager-jailed-for-sending-racis... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4381692 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4381692 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52877886 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52877886

morkalork 3y ago
Are you being serious? Racist trolls causing "anxiety and distress" is justification for undermining everyone's security and privacy? Shame.
- kypro 3y ago
  I am trolling, but in my opinion this is likely the reason for the attack on encryption. Everyone occasionally says bad things in private, so banning encryption and policing hate speech laws basically criminalises everyone.
  - morkalork 3y ago
    Well, I just hope you're preaching to the choir about that here. All have to add is that the people deciding these laws also enjoy parliamentary privilege which exempts them from slander and libel charges. Isn't that nice? They can be untouchable while you and I get to have our stripped away.
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
I'm going to assume this is the case: "I'll sometimes use sarcasm as a tool to make you think harder about an opinion expressed."
- kypro 3y ago
  Yeah, cool you read that. I find being highly disagreeable often helps makes a point. It's find it can be hard to invoke appropriate emotional outrage with a well reasoned argument.
  - xwdv 3y ago
    This only works if you really commit to remaining disagreeable and never reveal that it was all a ruse.
Kamq 3y ago
Is this satire? Between being pro child-arrest, and using the phrase "anxiety and distress", which seems to be rather uncommon, and is the exact same phrasing as your 3rd link, I'm starting to feel like parody is the most likely option.
- nvarsj 3y ago
  Sounds a lot like something the U.K. Home Secretary would say, sadly.
  - Kamq 3y ago
    That's... disappointing. But, I guess values drift is a thing. My country hasn't been part of theirs for quite a long time, and I guess it has just diverged to that point.
jjgreen 3y ago
Ironically, irony is no longer possible in the UK.

morkalork 3y ago

Heck, they roll their own infra. Billions in cash buys a lot of tech. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-telecoms-cartels-specialreport-idUSKCN24G1DN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-telecoms-cartels-s...

xwdv 3y ago
Yes, it’s laughable to think they will use the same compromised channels as the masses. These are serious businesses. Some cyber crime operations have something similar to AWS. I’ve seen it.

tim333 3y ago

This assumes criminals are not stupid which is not always the case.