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There's no ID check after passing Clear, so this would be a way to avoid no-fly lists and other restrictions on travel.

landemva 3y ago
ID is not required to be shown to TSA. I misplaced my ID a couple times and went through. The ID check was really to stop frequent flier award travel resale back when tickets were paper. It's still possible to use paper boarding pass today, though to my knowledge few people try to fly on tickets with someone else's name. It is still possible because showing ID, like the full body scan machines, is voluntary. TSA misleads the public about what is mandatory. Freedom to travel is a right in USA. If you closely observe the TSA process, they check the ID with the name on boarding pass. This is revenue management service for the airlines. For example if TSA misinformation, they claim full body imaging can be required yet they do not have that authority in practice. They can't even detain people. https://twitter.com/TSA/status/679447467922984961 https://twitter.com/TSA/status/679447467922984961
- yellowapple 3y ago
  > Freedom to travel is a right in USA. That doesn't imply (let alone exply) a right to board a plane. This is the same logic used by self-proclaimed "sovereign citizens" to get out of everything from speeding tickets to California's agricultural checkpoints, and said logic falls apart for the exact same reason: you can exercise your freedom to travel on foot. > If you closely observe the TSA process, they check the ID with the name on boarding pass. Well yeah, obviously. The whole point of the checkpoint is to establish "you are who you say you are" and "you're authorized to be here", not just one or the other. > they claim full body imaging can be required yet they do not have that authority in practice. They can't even detain people. They clearly do and can, as plenty of people have learned the hard way. That, or you can walk (or drive, or bus, or train, or boat, or whatever) to your destination. Like, I'm with you that TSA is security theater and largely pointless, but you don't have to buy into sovereign-citizen-style misinterpretations of the law in order to arrive at that conclusion.
- morpheuskafka 3y ago
  > If you closely observe the TSA process, they check the ID with the name on boarding pass. This is revenue management service for the airlines. The rationale for checking name match is there there is a separate part of the TSA process which identifies high-risk and prohibited individuals, and that works on name matching. That has already been completed based on the name on the boarding pass, so using another persons boarding pass/false name would bypass those checks. You could still bypass the airline's rules by entering with a ticket for another flight in your name (refundable or cheap) and using someone else's ticket at the gate. Couldn't check a bag, however. (although I inadvertently bypassed the checked bag-ID match at DCA last time)
lokar 3y ago
My most recent trip they were no longer asking for ID, just the boarding pass. They already have everyone’s photos.
- greedo 3y ago
  My flight this month was the opposite; they already have all the flight manifests, so they just asked for ID.

ID is not required to be shown to TSA. I misplaced my ID a couple times and went through. The ID check was really to stop frequent flier award travel resale back when tickets were paper. It's still possible to use paper boarding pass today, though to my knowledge few people try to fly on tickets with someone else's name. It is still possible because showing ID, like the full body scan machines, is voluntary. TSA misleads the public about what is mandatory. Freedom to travel is a right in USA. If you closely observe the TSA process, they check the ID with the name on boarding pass. This is revenue management service for the airlines. For example if TSA misinformation, they claim full body imaging can be required yet they do not have that authority in practice. They can't even detain people. https://twitter.com/TSA/status/679447467922984961 https://twitter.com/TSA/status/679447467922984961

yellowapple 3y ago
> Freedom to travel is a right in USA. That doesn't imply (let alone exply) a right to board a plane. This is the same logic used by self-proclaimed "sovereign citizens" to get out of everything from speeding tickets to California's agricultural checkpoints, and said logic falls apart for the exact same reason: you can exercise your freedom to travel on foot. > If you closely observe the TSA process, they check the ID with the name on boarding pass. Well yeah, obviously. The whole point of the checkpoint is to establish "you are who you say you are" and "you're authorized to be here", not just one or the other. > they claim full body imaging can be required yet they do not have that authority in practice. They can't even detain people. They clearly do and can, as plenty of people have learned the hard way. That, or you can walk (or drive, or bus, or train, or boat, or whatever) to your destination. Like, I'm with you that TSA is security theater and largely pointless, but you don't have to buy into sovereign-citizen-style misinterpretations of the law in order to arrive at that conclusion.
morpheuskafka 3y ago
> If you closely observe the TSA process, they check the ID with the name on boarding pass. This is revenue management service for the airlines. The rationale for checking name match is there there is a separate part of the TSA process which identifies high-risk and prohibited individuals, and that works on name matching. That has already been completed based on the name on the boarding pass, so using another persons boarding pass/false name would bypass those checks. You could still bypass the airline's rules by entering with a ticket for another flight in your name (refundable or cheap) and using someone else's ticket at the gate. Couldn't check a bag, however. (although I inadvertently bypassed the checked bag-ID match at DCA last time)

lokar 3y ago

My most recent trip they were no longer asking for ID, just the boarding pass. They already have everyone’s photos.

greedo 3y ago
My flight this month was the opposite; they already have all the flight manifests, so they just asked for ID.