3 ms·

Ive been thowing knives for 30+ years but a robot knife thrower is not the same in intrinsic priciple as to WHY we throw knives... Its subtle but significant

Ive been thowing knives for 30+ years but a robot knife thrower is not the same in intrinsic priciple as to WHY we throw knives... Its subtle but significant. The movement of throwing a knife is very same to throwing a person, that is ; the physical body movements of throwing a knife are the same as the movements of throwing a person, swingin a sword etc... They are movements designed to train you when you dont have an Uki. Here is me at ~60 feet, knife on knife. But this movement is the same as several throws in Bujinkan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks_sBg85suA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks_sBg85suA Its all in the hips. Check out Flying Steel and r/throwing Unrelated but still fun ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3I6lbpF68Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3I6lbpF68Q

h2odragon 3y ago
If I may ask the question you're answering: throwing a knife is almost never an effective attack. distraction, yes; but it seems a silly thing to do in actual training. As you say, however, knife throwing is very useful as training for throwing anything else. With knives you've got to have so much so close to perfect for it to work at all. When you throw a rock the number of important variables is much lower; but what you've learned with the knives still serves you well.
- samstave 3y ago
  This is basically correct, the factors that you focus on when throwing a knife are the same factors you take focus upon when throwing a human. The visuals are the arms, but the core is the hips and their placement. When you watch me in that all distance vid, you see that the real power comes from the hip rotation, but the precision comes from the upper shoulder displacement. Thus the training of the hips sans Uki. This was my professor ; https://www.usadojo.com/larry-cary/ https://www.usadojo.com/larry-cary/ Ive trained with every single person in these photos... Recently my best friend and training partner got back from Israel where he was doing some akban training... https://www.youtube.com/@AkbanOrg/videos https://www.youtube.com/@AkbanOrg/videos We've been training with them since ~1989 - but these are the movement styles that map with arts, aside from pure bujinkan movements such like our Soke, Hatsumi - but there is a cadre of bad-ass ninjutsu folks in the US, no not richard whatevere... but look up van donk, hatsumi, and others in akban, krav maga and bujinkan. -- There are several throwing style - spin, no-spin, spike (which is the same as no spin) but here is an example of me in my garage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtCYnjeaog4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtCYnjeaog4 (Also this was handle thrown, which implies no-spin.... but honestly spin throw, blade held is my preference, this is why you see me wearing gloves in vids... Never throw a knife without PPE (gloves) Trust me - being sliced by a knife leaving your grip at velocity is no fun. EDIT: Oh Yeah - always grind down the edges of any knife you intent to throw. The only thing that matters is the pointy part. And the mass of the knife and your skill. The cutting part does not matter. Do you know why Katanas were curved, because they got more cutting edge ratio with a single pull/strike. throwing is about puncture, hence stars and blah - and its a portion of why ninjatos were straight - because they were designed for piercing in small enclosures (hallways) The movements are designed around the "small circle jujitsu" principles as booked by wally jay - not only was he a teacher of mine he was a neighbor and we lived 2 blocks from him in Alameda..

h2odragon 3y ago

If I may ask the question you're answering: throwing a knife is almost never an effective attack. distraction, yes; but it seems a silly thing to do in actual training. As you say, however, knife throwing is very useful as training for throwing anything else. With knives you've got to have so much so close to perfect for it to work at all. When you throw a rock the number of important variables is much lower; but what you've learned with the knives still serves you well.

samstave 3y ago
This is basically correct, the factors that you focus on when throwing a knife are the same factors you take focus upon when throwing a human. The visuals are the arms, but the core is the hips and their placement. When you watch me in that all distance vid, you see that the real power comes from the hip rotation, but the precision comes from the upper shoulder displacement. Thus the training of the hips sans Uki. This was my professor ; https://www.usadojo.com/larry-cary/ https://www.usadojo.com/larry-cary/ Ive trained with every single person in these photos... Recently my best friend and training partner got back from Israel where he was doing some akban training... https://www.youtube.com/@AkbanOrg/videos https://www.youtube.com/@AkbanOrg/videos We've been training with them since ~1989 - but these are the movement styles that map with arts, aside from pure bujinkan movements such like our Soke, Hatsumi - but there is a cadre of bad-ass ninjutsu folks in the US, no not richard whatevere... but look up van donk, hatsumi, and others in akban, krav maga and bujinkan. -- There are several throwing style - spin, no-spin, spike (which is the same as no spin) but here is an example of me in my garage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtCYnjeaog4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtCYnjeaog4 (Also this was handle thrown, which implies no-spin.... but honestly spin throw, blade held is my preference, this is why you see me wearing gloves in vids... Never throw a knife without PPE (gloves) Trust me - being sliced by a knife leaving your grip at velocity is no fun. EDIT: Oh Yeah - always grind down the edges of any knife you intent to throw. The only thing that matters is the pointy part. And the mass of the knife and your skill. The cutting part does not matter. Do you know why Katanas were curved, because they got more cutting edge ratio with a single pull/strike. throwing is about puncture, hence stars and blah - and its a portion of why ninjatos were straight - because they were designed for piercing in small enclosures (hallways) The movements are designed around the "small circle jujitsu" principles as booked by wally jay - not only was he a teacher of mine he was a neighbor and we lived 2 blocks from him in Alameda..