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> Imagine if we can get to a world where the difference between not having health insurance and having insurance means either you wait for your body to naturall

> Imagine if we can get to a world where the difference between not having health insurance and having insurance means either you wait for your body to naturally regrow a limb or your insurance covers a more quickly lab grown one. america moment

Teever 3y ago
Yes I'm trying to frame it in terms the audience of HN can understand. I'm not sure what's wrong with that.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  >> america moment > Yes I'm trying to frame it in terms the audience of HN can understand. > I'm not sure what's wrong with that. What's wrong is that it's orthogonal to the problem, so it risks creating a pointless discussion about health insurance instead of focusing on the technology. The key problem is the ability to regrow limbs is not yet within our technological reach. Having (or not) health insurance won't get you another pair of legs if you walk on a mine. Maybe you'll get very fancy prosthetics, but it will not be flesh and bone. In a world where this is known technology, even if the costs may initially put it out of reach of people without insurance, should it just be a gene edit AND we have the ability to gene edit like we now have the ability to 3d print, the cat will be out of the bag, and it will be like people buying 3d printers to 3d print guns in countries where gun ownership is forbidden, or people ordering drugs on the dark web: it may be illegal, but people with addictions (or here, without legs) may not really care about the legality. Or they will just do a road trip to Mexico, like how it is for dental work. Health insurance is rarely the #1 issue: I think even Europeans do similar trips when they want something immediately instead of accepting long waitlines or some procedures not being officially available in their country. The only difference is they don't go to Mexico but to Turkey, the Balkans or Eastern Europe. What we need is more technology, and fewer legal limitations, like how it was pointed out last week about how the FDA risk aversion costs human lives in a way that's impossible (or extremely hard) to measure. We're very lucky the Trump administration (and a few others around the world) decided to bypass the regular vaccine safety process during operation warp speed: regardless of what you think about Covid vaccines, we now have mRNA vaccine technology, which is already being tested for many other things.
  - Teever 3y ago
    If I'm reading your comment correctly it appears youre just restating what I'm saying? Is that an accurate interpretation of your comment? What am I missing?
    - csdvrx 3y ago
      Then I have misunderstood you, I'll edit my comment to point it's about the technology by providing more examples. EDIT: done, also I see we may have similar opinions given how you submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34327992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34327992 about 3d guns in Canada
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- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  The issue as an American is that I would much rather imagine a world where everyone has appropriate health coverage.
  - Teever 3y ago
    And a world where all people innately have the ability to regenerate organs and limbs isn't the world you want to see?
    - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
      You are imagining a wonderful technological future where we can regrow limbs AND we still do not have universal health coverage. I think most of us like to imagine that by the time technology can regrow limbs, politics will have finally caught up to the rest of the developed world. Your better imagined future still includes people not having health coverage and for me that seems weird!
      - Teever 3y ago
        Yes. We currently live in a wonderful technological future where we can transplant organs AND we still do not have universal health coverage. The future will be very much the same, and material inequality will very likely increase in the near future. From a humanist perspective the best we can do is empower individuals with endogenous technology that minimizes their dependency on rent seekers and the innate ability to regenerate limbs and organs fits the bill nicely.
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Teever 3y ago

Yes I'm trying to frame it in terms the audience of HN can understand. I'm not sure what's wrong with that.

csdvrx 3y ago
>> america moment > Yes I'm trying to frame it in terms the audience of HN can understand. > I'm not sure what's wrong with that. What's wrong is that it's orthogonal to the problem, so it risks creating a pointless discussion about health insurance instead of focusing on the technology. The key problem is the ability to regrow limbs is not yet within our technological reach. Having (or not) health insurance won't get you another pair of legs if you walk on a mine. Maybe you'll get very fancy prosthetics, but it will not be flesh and bone. In a world where this is known technology, even if the costs may initially put it out of reach of people without insurance, should it just be a gene edit AND we have the ability to gene edit like we now have the ability to 3d print, the cat will be out of the bag, and it will be like people buying 3d printers to 3d print guns in countries where gun ownership is forbidden, or people ordering drugs on the dark web: it may be illegal, but people with addictions (or here, without legs) may not really care about the legality. Or they will just do a road trip to Mexico, like how it is for dental work. Health insurance is rarely the #1 issue: I think even Europeans do similar trips when they want something immediately instead of accepting long waitlines or some procedures not being officially available in their country. The only difference is they don't go to Mexico but to Turkey, the Balkans or Eastern Europe. What we need is more technology, and fewer legal limitations, like how it was pointed out last week about how the FDA risk aversion costs human lives in a way that's impossible (or extremely hard) to measure. We're very lucky the Trump administration (and a few others around the world) decided to bypass the regular vaccine safety process during operation warp speed: regardless of what you think about Covid vaccines, we now have mRNA vaccine technology, which is already being tested for many other things.
- Teever 3y ago
  If I'm reading your comment correctly it appears youre just restating what I'm saying? Is that an accurate interpretation of your comment? What am I missing?
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    Then I have misunderstood you, I'll edit my comment to point it's about the technology by providing more examples. EDIT: done, also I see we may have similar opinions given how you submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34327992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34327992 about 3d guns in Canada
- re_ed 3y ago
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TaylorAlexander 3y ago
The issue as an American is that I would much rather imagine a world where everyone has appropriate health coverage.
- Teever 3y ago
  And a world where all people innately have the ability to regenerate organs and limbs isn't the world you want to see?
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    You are imagining a wonderful technological future where we can regrow limbs AND we still do not have universal health coverage. I think most of us like to imagine that by the time technology can regrow limbs, politics will have finally caught up to the rest of the developed world. Your better imagined future still includes people not having health coverage and for me that seems weird!
    - Teever 3y ago
      Yes. We currently live in a wonderful technological future where we can transplant organs AND we still do not have universal health coverage. The future will be very much the same, and material inequality will very likely increase in the near future. From a humanist perspective the best we can do is empower individuals with endogenous technology that minimizes their dependency on rent seekers and the innate ability to regenerate limbs and organs fits the bill nicely.

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