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Disadvantaged in what sense? It’s likely those kids won’t even go for the same grind as „managed“ kids.

by mantas 3y ago

bowsamic 3y ago
Less ability to compete in the job market with others who were managed in basically all skilled jobs
- jjk166 3y ago
  When was the last time a job interviewer asked what extracurriculars you did when you were 14? There is an extremely small sliver of society where that one additional extracurricular makes the difference between getting into an excellent school vs a merely great school. For everyone else, the long term value is quite dubious.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    As much as you might want it to be, your life right now is not a blank human plus qualifications. Who you are as a person is shaped by your life before this point. A person who has invested in those extra curricular skills will simply be more skilled now, from precise ways (the specific skills learnt) to more general ways (the required concentration and perseverance etc)
    - mantas 3y ago
      I’d argue those kids don’t learn much concentration and so on. Being forced by your parents to follow schedule they made is quite a mundane skill. Works great to become a mindless office worker though. Look down, carry out tasks you’re told to do… and don’t complain. But is it really a life to look forward to?
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        It takes concentration and effort to follow schedule They should aim to become a so-called “mindless office worker” as it offers a very high quality of life, so yes that is a life worth looking forward to. It’s a life our ancestors would sell their daughters for
        mantas 3y ago
        If your mom drives you around and makes sure you put in some extra time on top… I’m not sure it takes much effort. Especially when stopping those activities is not a choice. Zen monk and prisoner schedules may seem similar, but skills to follow both are very different. I don’t agree that office drone life in rat race is worth looking to anymore. It’s a miserable mix of depression, obesity, long hours away from one’s family and likely loving a cramped life in a non-humanly-sized mega city. Generative AI will probably take a lot of less soul sucking jobs on that front. While certain cultures embracing 996 will compete for others. Depending on AI progress, I‘ll probably steer my kid towards vocational school. Tile layers, santechniks and electricians looks like very promising getaway from all this BS. Or whatever comes into picture in the next decade.
        bowsamic 3y ago
        If you think that the average office worker is obese and depressed then that’s a wild projection. Do you know who is much more likely to be obese and depressed? A poor person. The stuff about AI just makes you sound out of touch with reality. You clearly spend too much time online and it has detached you from real flesh and blood life. Re enter your life
        mantas 3y ago
        Looking at statistics, average citizen in West world is at least overweight and on a brink of being depressed. I didn’t bump into either statistics based on occupation, but anecdata points to office workers being on frontlines of both. Office workers can easily be poor. Just like other lines of work allow to make plenty of money. Generative AI already does a damn good job at generating illustrations and writing crappy descriptions. Doesn’t it?
    - jjk166 3y ago
      That argument falls apart if children can learn when they are not being managed, which they obviously can and do quite well.
lossolo 3y ago
Kids that have more math lessons, in most cases, will be better at math than the ones that don't. There are limited amount of jobs, students per class in college etc so they compete with each other. If you are living in the same system as most people in this thread, which is capitalism, then to live a somewhat problem-free life with financial security, you need to be either very lucky or participate in the rat race.
- mantas 3y ago
  I wouldn’t say rat race is problem-free life. All sorts of mental and physical health issues plague the modern rat race society. The only realistic way to win is not to play.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    You can not play if you want but you will be impoverished This enlightened thinking is good for you ego but you do actually have a material body to feed, so you either play the game of life or you die
    - mantas 3y ago
      Game of life and rat race is two different things. And yes, you may call it impoverished. But is it really worth to optimise for material stuff? Settling down with less may pay off a ton in other departments.
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        It is very much worth it to optimise for material stuff. Why wouldn’t it be? I’ve never had to starve but I think it would be quite horrible, as would be living in very poor accommodation. I would like to optimise this away
        mantas 3y ago
        There’s a massive gap between covering the basics and being in rat race optimizing for material stuff. Who cares if you drive a fancy car or a 10 y/o toyota? Both gets you from A to B in a relatively safe manner. If someone does care, that’s his problem. Same applies to pretty much any expenses line. Meanwhile having plenty of time to yourself may help to prevent many health issues and do things that make life wholesome.

Disadvantaged in what sense? It’s likely those kids won’t even go for the same grind as „managed“ kids.

by mantas 3y ago

Disadvantaged in what sense? It’s likely those kids won’t even go for the same grind as „managed“ kids.

bowsamic 3y ago

Less ability to compete in the job market with others who were managed in basically all skilled jobs

jjk166 3y ago
When was the last time a job interviewer asked what extracurriculars you did when you were 14? There is an extremely small sliver of society where that one additional extracurricular makes the difference between getting into an excellent school vs a merely great school. For everyone else, the long term value is quite dubious.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  As much as you might want it to be, your life right now is not a blank human plus qualifications. Who you are as a person is shaped by your life before this point. A person who has invested in those extra curricular skills will simply be more skilled now, from precise ways (the specific skills learnt) to more general ways (the required concentration and perseverance etc)
  - mantas 3y ago
    I’d argue those kids don’t learn much concentration and so on. Being forced by your parents to follow schedule they made is quite a mundane skill. Works great to become a mindless office worker though. Look down, carry out tasks you’re told to do… and don’t complain. But is it really a life to look forward to?
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      It takes concentration and effort to follow schedule They should aim to become a so-called “mindless office worker” as it offers a very high quality of life, so yes that is a life worth looking forward to. It’s a life our ancestors would sell their daughters for
      - mantas 3y ago
        If your mom drives you around and makes sure you put in some extra time on top… I’m not sure it takes much effort. Especially when stopping those activities is not a choice. Zen monk and prisoner schedules may seem similar, but skills to follow both are very different. I don’t agree that office drone life in rat race is worth looking to anymore. It’s a miserable mix of depression, obesity, long hours away from one’s family and likely loving a cramped life in a non-humanly-sized mega city. Generative AI will probably take a lot of less soul sucking jobs on that front. While certain cultures embracing 996 will compete for others. Depending on AI progress, I‘ll probably steer my kid towards vocational school. Tile layers, santechniks and electricians looks like very promising getaway from all this BS. Or whatever comes into picture in the next decade.
        bowsamic 3y ago
        If you think that the average office worker is obese and depressed then that’s a wild projection. Do you know who is much more likely to be obese and depressed? A poor person. The stuff about AI just makes you sound out of touch with reality. You clearly spend too much time online and it has detached you from real flesh and blood life. Re enter your life
        mantas 3y ago
        Looking at statistics, average citizen in West world is at least overweight and on a brink of being depressed. I didn’t bump into either statistics based on occupation, but anecdata points to office workers being on frontlines of both. Office workers can easily be poor. Just like other lines of work allow to make plenty of money. Generative AI already does a damn good job at generating illustrations and writing crappy descriptions. Doesn’t it?
  - jjk166 3y ago
    That argument falls apart if children can learn when they are not being managed, which they obviously can and do quite well.

lossolo 3y ago

Kids that have more math lessons, in most cases, will be better at math than the ones that don't. There are limited amount of jobs, students per class in college etc so they compete with each other. If you are living in the same system as most people in this thread, which is capitalism, then to live a somewhat problem-free life with financial security, you need to be either very lucky or participate in the rat race.

mantas 3y ago
I wouldn’t say rat race is problem-free life. All sorts of mental and physical health issues plague the modern rat race society. The only realistic way to win is not to play.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  You can not play if you want but you will be impoverished This enlightened thinking is good for you ego but you do actually have a material body to feed, so you either play the game of life or you die
  - mantas 3y ago
    Game of life and rat race is two different things. And yes, you may call it impoverished. But is it really worth to optimise for material stuff? Settling down with less may pay off a ton in other departments.
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      It is very much worth it to optimise for material stuff. Why wouldn’t it be? I’ve never had to starve but I think it would be quite horrible, as would be living in very poor accommodation. I would like to optimise this away
      - mantas 3y ago
        There’s a massive gap between covering the basics and being in rat race optimizing for material stuff. Who cares if you drive a fancy car or a 10 y/o toyota? Both gets you from A to B in a relatively safe manner. If someone does care, that’s his problem. Same applies to pretty much any expenses line. Meanwhile having plenty of time to yourself may help to prevent many health issues and do things that make life wholesome.