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It's clear you won't state your position clearly. It's really simple, do you believe as you said that things are good and that we are on the right track? You sa
by jshen 3y ago
It's clear you won't state your position clearly. It's really simple, do you believe as you said that things are good and that we are on the right track? You said that, then you muddy the water when pressed on it. What do you believe?
- wilg 3y agoI will not continue this discussion unless you answer my two questions with yes or no.
- jshen 3y agoI asked first, and would still like to know if you think we are on the right track as you said in the previous thread. I see reasons to be hopeful, but we are not on the right track right now. What do you believe, are we on the right track?
- wilg 3y agoI will not continue this discussion unless you answer my two questions with yes or no.
- jshen 3y agoThe core of the issue is whether you think we are on the right track. Yes or no.
- wilg 3y agoI will not continue this discussion unless you answer my two questions with yes or no.
- jshen 3y agoI'll just leave some facts here since you won't say if you think we are on the right track or not. 2023 is now on track to see the highest levels of carbon dioxide output in human history - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/20/emissions-record-high-by-2023-if-green-recovery-fails-says-iea https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/20/emission... July 2023 set to be world's hottest month on record - https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/july-2023-set-be-worlds-hottest-month-record-scientists-2023-07-27/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/july-2023-set-b...
- wilg 3y agoI will not continue this discussion unless you answer my two questions with yes or no.
- jshen 3y agoThe facts speak for themselves. I’m happy to leave it at that.
- wilg 3y agoI will not continue this discussion unless you answer my two questions with yes or no.
- wilg 3y agoIn case anybody else happens to read this cursed thread, the issue is that this guy failed to understand what I was saying in a previous discussion, did a drive by on a later one where he fully 100% misrepresented what I said, refused to acknowledge the misunderstanding, refused to think critically about what he was saying, and went off feeling proud of himself for pointing out that global warming has not stopped cold in its tracks. This is absolutely maddening and shameful behavior, and nobody should have to endure such proud idiocy. What I previously claimed was that emissions were plateauing. Which means that we are slowing the annual increase in greenhouse emissions. This makes sense because in developed countries we are getting more efficient, as measured by per-capita greenhouse emissions decreasing. If this continues and spreads to less developed countries (as it is economically and politically incentivized to do) it will "plateau" and stop rising. Stopping rising carbon emissions is a necessary prerequisite to lowering them. Neither stopping emissions from rising nor lowering emissions will keep temperature from rising. To do that, we need to achieve zero net carbon emissions. When that occurs, the earth will remain at its current temperature (although there is a decade or so lag time I believe between emissions and temperatures). Then we must remove carbon from the atmosphere to return to whatever global temperature we decide is appropriate. I look at this and see that we are indeed taking some of the steps to solve the problem. It is not the case that nothing is happening and everything is getting worse. I wish we were solving it faster, and I certainly support investing in sweeping policy reforms to move to renewable energy as soon as possible. But to jshen, who refused to think about any of the details and elected instead to be an ignorant asshole: go fuck yourself and please, I beg you, never talk to me again.