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Every single one of his complaints is sourced. Maybe, just maybe, Musk and tesla suck?

gruez 3y ago
I don't think the parent is disputing whether tesla sucks or not, he's saying that the article is poorly written. It's titled "Tesla's Dieselgate", but it doesn't address that specific point until 2/3rds into the article. If the article was titled something like "Why Tesla Sucks", this would be forgivable, but there's no need to preface every anti-tesla article with a lengthy preamble about all the existing reasons why tesla sucks.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  It does a pretty good job of laying the foundation of just how much of a liar Musk and Tesla the company are, before pointing out they are once again being liars. Context is important.
  - galkk 3y ago
    It spends too much time obscuring it's message Inverted pyramid principle: https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/WC191 https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/WC191 Bottom line up front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLUF_(communication)#:~:text=BLUF%20(bottom%20line%20up%20front,the%20most%20important%20information%20first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLUF_(communication)#:~:text=B....
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    Not that important.
belltaco 3y ago
Sourced with things that show the opposite. Like stating that Teslas are one of the deadliest cars and linked to an article showing 17 deaths out of 44,000 yearly deaths were when Autopilot was on.
galkk 3y ago
My criticism can be summarized in one principle: "Bottom line up front". It says about Dieselgate. Knowing what dieselgate is I'd expect to see the following: Tesla put special check into firmware that detected when car is used for power consumption/distance check in standartized environment and used some trickery to get better numbers (distance) than they are getting in normal usage. Here is the proof by Instead of that I scrolled already like 2 screens and there are rants about musk being or not being tesla founder, starlink, tesla subsidies, musk reality distortion field. Then it somehow leaps towards criticism of DRMs and I stop reading those ramblings. I don't own tesla, not have tesla stock, not musk fanboy, and the article did a poor job in convincing that anything is bad. It feels that it is is already written for haters who nod reading every point. This article is written like modern recipes online, which are almost universally hated on HN. One ones that start with grandmother and childhood memories, then go to beautiful children and that Saturday morning when house is full of smells and author picks her/his favorite knife and Le Creuset dutch oven...

I don't think the parent is disputing whether tesla sucks or not, he's saying that the article is poorly written. It's titled "Tesla's Dieselgate", but it doesn't address that specific point until 2/3rds into the article. If the article was titled something like "Why Tesla Sucks", this would be forgivable, but there's no need to preface every anti-tesla article with a lengthy preamble about all the existing reasons why tesla sucks.

mrguyorama 3y ago
It does a pretty good job of laying the foundation of just how much of a liar Musk and Tesla the company are, before pointing out they are once again being liars. Context is important.
- galkk 3y ago
  It spends too much time obscuring it's message Inverted pyramid principle: https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/WC191 https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/WC191 Bottom line up front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLUF_(communication)#:~:text=BLUF%20(bottom%20line%20up%20front,the%20most%20important%20information%20first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLUF_(communication)#:~:text=B....
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Not that important.

belltaco 3y ago

Sourced with things that show the opposite. Like stating that Teslas are one of the deadliest cars and linked to an article showing 17 deaths out of 44,000 yearly deaths were when Autopilot was on.

galkk 3y ago

My criticism can be summarized in one principle: "Bottom line up front". It says about Dieselgate. Knowing what dieselgate is I'd expect to see the following: Tesla put special check into firmware that detected when car is used for power consumption/distance check in standartized environment and used some trickery to get better numbers (distance) than they are getting in normal usage. Here is the proof by Instead of that I scrolled already like 2 screens and there are rants about musk being or not being tesla founder, starlink, tesla subsidies, musk reality distortion field. Then it somehow leaps towards criticism of DRMs and I stop reading those ramblings. I don't own tesla, not have tesla stock, not musk fanboy, and the article did a poor job in convincing that anything is bad. It feels that it is is already written for haters who nod reading every point. This article is written like modern recipes online, which are almost universally hated on HN. One ones that start with grandmother and childhood memories, then go to beautiful children and that Saturday morning when house is full of smells and author picks her/his favorite knife and Le Creuset dutch oven...