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> The oracle problem is a problem because there are no oracles To expand on this and correct your first statement, physical engagement can't be a proof of pers

> The oracle problem is a problem because there are no oracles To expand on this and correct your first statement, physical engagement can't be a proof of personhood either. There can never be a proof of personhood, or if someone is a human or not, or if someone is conscious, etc. It's more practically applicable than it sounds. Think conjoined twins (sharing a brain), disabled people, people in coma, long memory loss and all other edge cases.

anileated 3y ago
The proof of humanhood is being made of meat, and that is what Sam Altman went after. The mistake he made is adding blockchain and crypto to that physical verification.
- jerf 3y ago
  In the end, even that is an approximation. We want to limit our services to "humans" because humans can spend money, and humans can only put so much content into our services (spamming limited versus a bot), and humans want to talk to humans, maybe humans only want to date humans, etc. But if there was a bot that was well behaved (for whatever that means for a given service), and somehow legitimately viewed ads, and could legitimately decide to buy something with real money from an ad, there's a lot of sites that would no longer want to ban that particular bot. Now they need to distinguish between that bot and the other "bad" bots. In general, if a bot can "behave well" we don't necessarily want to kick them out just for being bots. In the end, the more bots become like humans and humans through things like the Mechanical Turk become more like bots, service providers will be required to very carefully think through what it is they actually want to demand of their users. Splitting people into "human" and "bot" is already only an approximation on the grounds that there's plenty of humans services don't want around, and there's already some bots that services are fine with (e.g., some helpful reddit bots), so that split isn't going to be good enough. The process of thinking through what is really desirable at a much higher level of detail will be fun to watch, and there will be a lot of different answers for different services.
  - anileated 3y ago
    For your service maybe certain humans don’t qualify and maybe certain bots qualify. However, the matter at hand and WC purpose is proof of humanhood in particular.

anileated 3y ago

The proof of humanhood is being made of meat, and that is what Sam Altman went after. The mistake he made is adding blockchain and crypto to that physical verification.

jerf 3y ago
In the end, even that is an approximation. We want to limit our services to "humans" because humans can spend money, and humans can only put so much content into our services (spamming limited versus a bot), and humans want to talk to humans, maybe humans only want to date humans, etc. But if there was a bot that was well behaved (for whatever that means for a given service), and somehow legitimately viewed ads, and could legitimately decide to buy something with real money from an ad, there's a lot of sites that would no longer want to ban that particular bot. Now they need to distinguish between that bot and the other "bad" bots. In general, if a bot can "behave well" we don't necessarily want to kick them out just for being bots. In the end, the more bots become like humans and humans through things like the Mechanical Turk become more like bots, service providers will be required to very carefully think through what it is they actually want to demand of their users. Splitting people into "human" and "bot" is already only an approximation on the grounds that there's plenty of humans services don't want around, and there's already some bots that services are fine with (e.g., some helpful reddit bots), so that split isn't going to be good enough. The process of thinking through what is really desirable at a much higher level of detail will be fun to watch, and there will be a lot of different answers for different services.
- anileated 3y ago
  For your service maybe certain humans don’t qualify and maybe certain bots qualify. However, the matter at hand and WC purpose is proof of humanhood in particular.