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Yeah, the article and this whole comments thread is very intellectually dishonest. Disclosure: I’m like, 70% optimistic about the project. I don’t believe that

Yeah, the article and this whole comments thread is very intellectually dishonest. Disclosure: I’m like, 70% optimistic about the project. I don’t believe that the team are lying. Anyway, as with many things, time will tell. I wouldn’t get worked up over it. If it fails it’s pretty inconsequential.

mrguyorama 3y ago
>I don’t believe that the team are lying Why not? >If it fails it’s pretty inconsequential. Definitely, it only collected the biometrics of thousands of desperate people into the hands of private people who work with law enforcement agencies everywhere to provide surveillance as a service.
- 93po 3y ago
  You’re misrepresenting what it’s collecting and you’re part of the problem in this discussion. Worldcoin isn’t storing anything that could be used by any other entity. It doesn’t store biometrics and there isn’t a way to use the store information to know what the iris looked like that generated it.
  - danbruc 3y ago
    How do you know? Because they said so?
    - 93po 3y ago
      Go look at the data stored on the chain yourself
      - danbruc 3y ago
        Why would they have to store it on the chain and could not send it to some server?
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    A hash of a biometric has the exact same negative properties of a biometric data point itself: That it is not concealable, you cannot change it, and that it is tied to you explicitly. Surely you see how a giant database of biometric hashes provides the same usefulness to bad actors as an actual biometric database? It's a unique identifier tied explicitly to your physical body. Anything that hash is tied to can later be trivially de-anonymized. After collecting everyone's biometric "ID", that database can be helpfully leased to Peter Thiel's (one of the early investors) wonderful surveillance machines, so now when the officer pulls you over "for a broken taillight", their body camera can get a nice view of your iris and buy your entire worldcoin history from say Palentir, for a price of course, and zero warrant.
    - 93po 3y ago
      As I said, you're misunderstanding. The hash can only tell if your iris has been scanned before. It doesn't tie to your identity in any way. And there is no tie between your World ID and the activity on any website that uses an account generated from your World ID, because your wallet makes a new anonymous, private account for each platform. Thanks for proving my point that virtually all criticisms stem from people misunderstanding or not putting in the effort to learn how it actually works.
  - tamimio 3y ago
    >It doesn’t store biometrics and there isn’t a way to use the store information to know what the iris looked like that generated it You don’t know this for a fact, is it an audited open source project and the security/privacy vouched by some known people in the field? No. It’s just marketing crap
    - 93po 3y ago
      They are in fact discussing third party audits and the project will be open source
imilk 3y ago
> I don’t believe that the team are lying. That would be really crazy if the team behind a crypto startup just lied about their business and intentions - certainly has never happened before!
93po 3y ago
Every single criticism I see about worldcoin gets something fundamentally wrong about how it works
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  Why should anyone care how a perpetual motion machine is purported to work? You just call it a scam and move on.
  - 93po 3y ago
    Why would anyone care to hear the earth is round? You just call it heresy and move on.
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tamimio 3y ago
Maybe they are not lying, who knows, but their work can twisted for sure for other unethical results but still legal to do so, after, that team is motivated by money.

mrguyorama 3y ago

>I don’t believe that the team are lying Why not? >If it fails it’s pretty inconsequential. Definitely, it only collected the biometrics of thousands of desperate people into the hands of private people who work with law enforcement agencies everywhere to provide surveillance as a service.

93po 3y ago
You’re misrepresenting what it’s collecting and you’re part of the problem in this discussion. Worldcoin isn’t storing anything that could be used by any other entity. It doesn’t store biometrics and there isn’t a way to use the store information to know what the iris looked like that generated it.
- danbruc 3y ago
  How do you know? Because they said so?
  - 93po 3y ago
    Go look at the data stored on the chain yourself
    - danbruc 3y ago
      Why would they have to store it on the chain and could not send it to some server?
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  A hash of a biometric has the exact same negative properties of a biometric data point itself: That it is not concealable, you cannot change it, and that it is tied to you explicitly. Surely you see how a giant database of biometric hashes provides the same usefulness to bad actors as an actual biometric database? It's a unique identifier tied explicitly to your physical body. Anything that hash is tied to can later be trivially de-anonymized. After collecting everyone's biometric "ID", that database can be helpfully leased to Peter Thiel's (one of the early investors) wonderful surveillance machines, so now when the officer pulls you over "for a broken taillight", their body camera can get a nice view of your iris and buy your entire worldcoin history from say Palentir, for a price of course, and zero warrant.
  - 93po 3y ago
    As I said, you're misunderstanding. The hash can only tell if your iris has been scanned before. It doesn't tie to your identity in any way. And there is no tie between your World ID and the activity on any website that uses an account generated from your World ID, because your wallet makes a new anonymous, private account for each platform. Thanks for proving my point that virtually all criticisms stem from people misunderstanding or not putting in the effort to learn how it actually works.
- tamimio 3y ago
  >It doesn’t store biometrics and there isn’t a way to use the store information to know what the iris looked like that generated it You don’t know this for a fact, is it an audited open source project and the security/privacy vouched by some known people in the field? No. It’s just marketing crap
  - 93po 3y ago
    They are in fact discussing third party audits and the project will be open source

imilk 3y ago

> I don’t believe that the team are lying. That would be really crazy if the team behind a crypto startup just lied about their business and intentions - certainly has never happened before!

93po 3y ago

Every single criticism I see about worldcoin gets something fundamentally wrong about how it works

jeremyjh 3y ago
Why should anyone care how a perpetual motion machine is purported to work? You just call it a scam and move on.
- 93po 3y ago
  Why would anyone care to hear the earth is round? You just call it heresy and move on.

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tamimio 3y ago

Maybe they are not lying, who knows, but their work can twisted for sure for other unethical results but still legal to do so, after, that team is motivated by money.