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This is the latest in my most frequently learned lesson: Nobody thinks they are doing anything wrong. They think they are shoring up a weakness in a fundamenta

This is the latest in my most frequently learned lesson: Nobody thinks they are doing anything wrong. They think they are shoring up a weakness in a fundamentally good argument or cause.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Ouch. That's not just scientific dishonesty. It's also politics, and the legal system, and advertising, and internet conversations, and...
munchler 3y ago
Yep. There are very few true villains in reality. Just a lot of people with different values and priorities. Even Vlad Putin probably thinks he’s on the side of the angels.
- functoid 3y ago
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- xdennis 3y ago
  Please don't call that guy Vlad. Vlad is short for Vladislav. You're looking vor Vova. It's like saying Ben is short for Bennett.
  - tomrod 3y ago
    Ben can be short for Bennett?
godelski 3y ago
While I generally go with this, it definitely isn't an absolutely true statement and we should even modify it. People know they are doing wrong, they just justify it with reasons why it is okay to do the wrong thing. I'm pretty sure that these people knew they were doing a big wrong, but I'm sure they justified it with "well everyone fudges the data a little." (this wasn't little)
- bena 3y ago
  I'm going to go with both of you. They know what they're doing is wrong. But I don't think they did it because "everyone does it", they did it because they think they're ultimately right. They believe in their results, they know in their heart of hearts that their conclusions are true. It's just that not all of the data lines up. It's incomplete, inconclusive, etc. Yes, it is wrong to fabricate data, however, over time, results will bear out the truth of their statements and it won't matter. They are of the camp that process doesn't matter as long as you reach the right conclusion. Which is wrong. Process is kind of the only thing that matters.
verisimi 3y ago
"the greater good" "THE GREATER GOOD" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u8vd_YNbTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u8vd_YNbTw

This is the latest in my most frequently learned lesson: Nobody thinks they are doing anything wrong. They think they are shoring up a weakness in a fundamentally good argument or cause.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

Ouch. That's not just scientific dishonesty. It's also politics, and the legal system, and advertising, and internet conversations, and...

munchler 3y ago

Yep. There are very few true villains in reality. Just a lot of people with different values and priorities. Even Vlad Putin probably thinks he’s on the side of the angels.

functoid 3y ago
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xdennis 3y ago
Please don't call that guy Vlad. Vlad is short for Vladislav. You're looking vor Vova. It's like saying Ben is short for Bennett.
- tomrod 3y ago
  Ben can be short for Bennett?

godelski 3y ago

While I generally go with this, it definitely isn't an absolutely true statement and we should even modify it. People know they are doing wrong, they just justify it with reasons why it is okay to do the wrong thing. I'm pretty sure that these people knew they were doing a big wrong, but I'm sure they justified it with "well everyone fudges the data a little." (this wasn't little)

bena 3y ago
I'm going to go with both of you. They know what they're doing is wrong. But I don't think they did it because "everyone does it", they did it because they think they're ultimately right. They believe in their results, they know in their heart of hearts that their conclusions are true. It's just that not all of the data lines up. It's incomplete, inconclusive, etc. Yes, it is wrong to fabricate data, however, over time, results will bear out the truth of their statements and it won't matter. They are of the camp that process doesn't matter as long as you reach the right conclusion. Which is wrong. Process is kind of the only thing that matters.

verisimi 3y ago

"the greater good" "THE GREATER GOOD" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u8vd_YNbTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u8vd_YNbTw