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told you. Just like pulsed, he won't stop until every existing, non-default config breaks. Just like pipewire, he will start a "better" alternative and restart

told you. Just like pulsed, he won't stop until every existing, non-default config breaks. Just like pipewire, he will start a "better" alternative and restart the stuff breaking cycle

pantalaimon 3y ago
pipewire was not started by Lennart Poettering
- pxc 3y ago
  and also it really is better— and quite stable already!
stryan 3y ago
systemd's been the default init for every major distro since 2015[0], and has existed as a project since roughly 2010. I think ten years of support for the predecessor is probably good enough. This is just a warning anyway. Lennart also didn't start Pipewire (which as far as I know, has been happily accepted by almost everyone?) and while I was just as annoyed at PulseAudio breaking my sound setup back in 2008 I think these days it's a bit remiss to keep bringing that up as an argument. At least not without talking about how a lot of the issues with it was due to Pulse revealing bugs in the sound card drivers. [0] Going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption and yes I'm only counting Arch,Debian,Ubuntu,Fedora,SUSE,and RHEL as the major distros. I could see an argument for Mint or Gentoo in there, but most of that table is honestly pretty useless (I still have my Knoppix floppies as coasters, but I really don't care about whether they've adopted systemd at this point) EDIT: mild edit, sorry it was Wolvix I have as floppies. Knoppix was only on CDs and I'm not sure where mine went.
pengaru 3y ago
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- laserdancepony 3y ago
  said the ignorant shill afraid of differing opinions
  - pengaru 3y ago
    Systemd is maintained by a team of developers, out in the open, for all to see. It's not some single bogeyman's tool for wreaking terror on Linux. Anyone that's been paying the slightest bit of attention to upstream systemd development would know there's plenty of differing opinions debated, for better or worse. It's definitely not just Lennart's play thing today.

told you. Just like pulsed, he won't stop until every existing, non-default config breaks. Just like pipewire, he will start a "better" alternative and restart the stuff breaking cycle

pantalaimon 3y ago

pipewire was not started by Lennart Poettering

pxc 3y ago
and also it really is better— and quite stable already!

stryan 3y ago

systemd's been the default init for every major distro since 2015[0], and has existed as a project since roughly 2010. I think ten years of support for the predecessor is probably good enough. This is just a warning anyway. Lennart also didn't start Pipewire (which as far as I know, has been happily accepted by almost everyone?) and while I was just as annoyed at PulseAudio breaking my sound setup back in 2008 I think these days it's a bit remiss to keep bringing that up as an argument. At least not without talking about how a lot of the issues with it was due to Pulse revealing bugs in the sound card drivers. [0] Going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption and yes I'm only counting Arch,Debian,Ubuntu,Fedora,SUSE,and RHEL as the major distros. I could see an argument for Mint or Gentoo in there, but most of that table is honestly pretty useless (I still have my Knoppix floppies as coasters, but I really don't care about whether they've adopted systemd at this point) EDIT: mild edit, sorry it was Wolvix I have as floppies. Knoppix was only on CDs and I'm not sure where mine went.

pengaru 3y ago

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laserdancepony 3y ago
said the ignorant shill afraid of differing opinions
- pengaru 3y ago
  Systemd is maintained by a team of developers, out in the open, for all to see. It's not some single bogeyman's tool for wreaking terror on Linux. Anyone that's been paying the slightest bit of attention to upstream systemd development would know there's plenty of differing opinions debated, for better or worse. It's definitely not just Lennart's play thing today.