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I finally convinced some in-laws to get an se2 after telling them it wasn’t really cheaper to keep buying terrible no name Samsung phones every other year. They

I finally convinced some in-laws to get an se2 after telling them it wasn’t really cheaper to keep buying terrible no name Samsung phones every other year. They have also both become photographers now and can FaceTime easily to see grandkids. So mark me down for contributing 2. Your welcome Apple.

sho_hn 3y ago
Samsung also makes quite a few phones with decent cameras. Are you saying the SE2 specifically fills a hole in their line-up?
- vanilla_nut 3y ago
  Long support (5+ years), physical first-party stores for support every 100ish miles in the USA, compatibility with Apple's proprietary iMessage and FaceTime protocols. An OS that's generally considered easier to use, with more walls in place to protect users from malware. A simple $400ish price point. Not a huge difference from Samsung's cheaper offerings on paper, but a lot of little things that add up to a better experience for many older users.
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    Low end iPhones are in the 100-300 range for 11s and 12s and generally work well for non tech users.
  - CWuestefeld 3y ago
    My limited experience with the Apple store seem a reason to stay AWAY from Apple. They wouldn't look at the phone. They made me stand in line to make an appointment to come back, all the while their team of "experts" stood around chatting. It came across to me as horribly elitist, and one of the worst retail experiences I can recall.
    - Klonoar 3y ago
      To you, that’s elitist. To the average person, that’s just… how things work.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    Also, entry level iPhones and iPads don't have anemic SoCs. They're just a generation or so behind what gets put in the flagship Pro models, which are still more powerful than what you'll find in many less-than-flagship Android phones. I have an upper-entry-level Android tablet I bought for development/testing which has a price that's within spitting distance of that of a refurbished iPad, and it's stunning that something as weak as the SoC it's built with is on store shelves in 2023. It lags and stutters all over the place, and even an entry level iPad from 4 years ago carrying around the extra weight of the latest version of iPadOS would destroy it in terms of performance.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      It’s honestly not even funny how much ahead iphone CPUs are to the at the time flagship android offerings. There is like 2, sometimes 3 years of difference.
Knee_Pain 3y ago
The SE 2020 being extra cheap (and even the 2022 model if you look well enough) is only a product of the used market and the fact that that line of iPhones is often overlooked, so people selling them really lowball the price more often than not. Apple doesn't actually have a lot to do with it.
martin_drapeau 3y ago
FaceTime and iMessage always work very well and out of the box. No installation/configuration required. This, in my mind, is the biggest selling feature for iPhones to baby boomers. Locks them in forever as well.
- didntcheck 3y ago
  WhatsApp takes about two clicks to setup. My 60 year old and generally technophobic mum and all her friends have managed to set it up and use it themselves (including group chats and profile pictures)
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    What matters is what your friends use. If grandmas friends already got setup on iPhones she is better off with one as well
  - runako 3y ago
    > mum This is perhaps a giveaway that you're not in the US, where WhatsApp is generally not something people use to communicate. (Anecdotally, I have seen it primarily used among people who have families outside the US.) FaceTime, on the other hand, is widely used here.
    - realusername 3y ago
      Yeah, iMessage just lost in Europe and pretty much everywhere outside the US. Part of the issue is the Apple only lock-in, part of the issue is the branding, being branded as an SMS app when SMS are dead certainly doesn't help.
    - gcbirzan 3y ago
      But he was talking about how hard it is to set up, not whether people use it.
throw9away6 3y ago
11s we’re running less than 100$ per phone. By far the best low end phones

sho_hn 3y ago

Samsung also makes quite a few phones with decent cameras. Are you saying the SE2 specifically fills a hole in their line-up?

vanilla_nut 3y ago
Long support (5+ years), physical first-party stores for support every 100ish miles in the USA, compatibility with Apple's proprietary iMessage and FaceTime protocols. An OS that's generally considered easier to use, with more walls in place to protect users from malware. A simple $400ish price point. Not a huge difference from Samsung's cheaper offerings on paper, but a lot of little things that add up to a better experience for many older users.
- throw9away6 3y ago
  Low end iPhones are in the 100-300 range for 11s and 12s and generally work well for non tech users.
- CWuestefeld 3y ago
  My limited experience with the Apple store seem a reason to stay AWAY from Apple. They wouldn't look at the phone. They made me stand in line to make an appointment to come back, all the while their team of "experts" stood around chatting. It came across to me as horribly elitist, and one of the worst retail experiences I can recall.
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    To you, that’s elitist. To the average person, that’s just… how things work.
- jwells89 3y ago
  Also, entry level iPhones and iPads don't have anemic SoCs. They're just a generation or so behind what gets put in the flagship Pro models, which are still more powerful than what you'll find in many less-than-flagship Android phones. I have an upper-entry-level Android tablet I bought for development/testing which has a price that's within spitting distance of that of a refurbished iPad, and it's stunning that something as weak as the SoC it's built with is on store shelves in 2023. It lags and stutters all over the place, and even an entry level iPad from 4 years ago carrying around the extra weight of the latest version of iPadOS would destroy it in terms of performance.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    It’s honestly not even funny how much ahead iphone CPUs are to the at the time flagship android offerings. There is like 2, sometimes 3 years of difference.

Knee_Pain 3y ago

The SE 2020 being extra cheap (and even the 2022 model if you look well enough) is only a product of the used market and the fact that that line of iPhones is often overlooked, so people selling them really lowball the price more often than not. Apple doesn't actually have a lot to do with it.

martin_drapeau 3y ago

FaceTime and iMessage always work very well and out of the box. No installation/configuration required. This, in my mind, is the biggest selling feature for iPhones to baby boomers. Locks them in forever as well.

didntcheck 3y ago
WhatsApp takes about two clicks to setup. My 60 year old and generally technophobic mum and all her friends have managed to set it up and use it themselves (including group chats and profile pictures)
- throw9away6 3y ago
  What matters is what your friends use. If grandmas friends already got setup on iPhones she is better off with one as well
- runako 3y ago
  > mum This is perhaps a giveaway that you're not in the US, where WhatsApp is generally not something people use to communicate. (Anecdotally, I have seen it primarily used among people who have families outside the US.) FaceTime, on the other hand, is widely used here.
  - realusername 3y ago
    Yeah, iMessage just lost in Europe and pretty much everywhere outside the US. Part of the issue is the Apple only lock-in, part of the issue is the branding, being branded as an SMS app when SMS are dead certainly doesn't help.
  - gcbirzan 3y ago
    But he was talking about how hard it is to set up, not whether people use it.

throw9away6 3y ago

11s we’re running less than 100$ per phone. By far the best low end phones