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>They are actively hostile to user control. These lines are wild. Android has great privacy controls and has had them as long or longer than Apple has. Androi
by criley2 3y ago
>They are actively hostile to user control.
These lines are wild. Android has great privacy controls and has had them as long or longer than Apple has.
Android gives 0 permissions by default in an app. Android requires 1 by 1 permission granting following a standard of least-required. Android's default permission selection is "Only this time" and not "Forever", meaning most users only grant temporary permission to the app. Android then automatically removes "forever" permissions that are unused after a period of 30-90 days without user input. Android is so aggressive about it that most "background" apps (widgets/battery monitors/weather) silently stop working as Google ruthlessly rips permissions away.
Heck -- unlike Apple, Google distributes nearly all of their apps and even system components through the App Store and still relies on standard user permissioning! You still have to grant Google the same permissions you grant any other app, even though it's "OS level". Imagine Apple authentically asking you for permission when you open a first party app and respecting it!
It's basically impossible to have an app use a permission you didn't know about on Android these days.
And in light of the great reality we live in, you have some crazy Apple stans in here saying "Google is actively hostile to user control". That line is wild considering almost every major iOS UX or hardware enhancement was ripped straight from an Android device that debuted it years prior... Between Apple and Google, there is no argument that Apple is the most hostile device company to "user control" in history. That's their thing! There's one way to do it, the Apple way, and if you want to customize it differently, you're the problem! ("Hostile to user control")
- realusername 3y ago> Heck -- unlike Apple, Google distributes nearly all of their apps and even system components through the App Store and still relies on standard user permissioning! You still have to grant Google the same permissions you grant any other app, even though it's "OS level". Imagine Apple authentically asking you for permission when you open a first party app and respecting it! That's clearly the big difference between both. Who knows what the internal apps are using on iOS, certainly not anything standard. That's also why it's usually the first attack vector on zero days.
- photonerd 3y agoThe reason they’re the first attack vector is that they’re installed by every user. Targeting NicheApp275 is not going to target as many ppl
- realusername 3y agoYeah but that also help that they don't have the same access as any random app. When you manage to get access to iMessage, that's not exactly the same thing as getting access to the sms app on Android.
- saagarjha 3y agoHow so?
- realusername 3y agoOne of them is a core component of the system with access to internal apis and the other one is an sms app.
- saagarjha 3y agoWhich internal APIs does it have access to?
- realusername 3y agoNobody really knows except from a few security researchers? I'm not working at Apple and I can't access the device internals. You can't build a third-party iMessage yourself unlike on Android anyways so there's some system apis somewhere enabling that for sure. There's at least some special security keys, a custom notification system, extended access to device storage and custom wakeup exceptions from what I could deduce myself looking at it. Of course there's for sure more than that but that's at least what's visible.
- pimterry 3y ago>> They are actively hostile to user control. > Android has great privacy controls and has had them as long or longer than Apple has. These can both be true. Android can have great privacy & permission controls, and also be better at many of these things than Apple, and also have systematically cut back on users control of their own devices, time and time again (Android 7 making it impossible to manage your own CA certificates, Android 14 tightening that further, sideloading restrictions, SafetyNet/Play Integrity making custom OSs & rooting unusable, etc). There's a lot more to user control of devices than just app permissions, and "Better than Apple" on this stuff is not a high bar.
- scarface_74 3y agoApple’s built in apps also require you to explicitly give them permission.
- mcculley 3y agoIt has been a long time since I set up my first iPhone, which was in early 2012. I have since been migrating my settings to new phones each time. I don't remember the Maps app asking for permission to get my location or the Contacts app asking for permission to read my contacts. They do this?