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>"Those three points were a pretty straightforward formulation of how pretty much everyone in the general population " Nope. I think you are in a bubble yours

>"Those three points were a pretty straightforward formulation of how pretty much everyone in the general population " Nope. I think you are in a bubble yourself if you think these points are common in the general population. >"understood gender identity a few decades ago" There you go. Now you are starting to see the problem. Definitions have shifted over time. The current population (not the population of decades ago) and 'generally on the right', do not understand those definitions as you stated, and are driven by 'biblical' interpretations, not science. How am I a bigot for noticing this? Or not keeping up with their current biblical interpretations. But. It does seem like you might be able to break through and see the big picture. You seem to have started to understand the limitations of language and that it is being used to manipulate. Guess, since you seem to acknowledge that your bubble is also a bubble, and I have a bubble, but this break down goes ad-Infinitum, every individual is a bubble. What, does every conversation have to start with a debate about language? It wouldn't be a bad idea these days. I'm tired of keeping up with every sub-groups shifting definitions on the right. (though, I do concede, I'm tired of keeping up with the left too on most days). But big picture, for groups, you can't deny that the evangelical take over of Republicans is NOT driven by some well regarded genetic research, and is really a purely emotional hot button, with plenty of lets say 'stretched language to sway the frothing pews'. So, yeah, I was un-generous to the original poster, but given the background of today, I don't think my interpretation of his post was a 'long shot', 'a risky bet', 'very far off'.

oreo_cake 3y ago
> There you go. Now you are starting to see the problem. Definitions have shifted over time. The current population (not the population of decades ago) and 'generally on the right', do not understand those definitions as you stated, and are driven by 'biblical' interpretations, not science. This redefinition, based on the relatively fringe belief that a man is actually a woman if he says he is (and vice versa), isn't supported by any scientific evidence. Most people find this redefinition somewhat ludicrous but generally didn't care too much until recently, after institutional capture by ideologists holding this belief and the negative effects of it being applied to law and policy, for women and children most of all, became apparent.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  I would disagree with the order of those events. Originally there was simply an attempt to protect a victimized group. Say, for example, let trans kids (and lets be honest these kids are having a hard life) use a different bathroom. Perhaps to relieve these kids already difficult situation. Why make a boyish girl use the girls room and get teased by the girls, and who knows what would happen if they were put in with the boys. Or why make a female boy 'twink' continue to get sexually harassed by the football team, but of course, can't put a boy into the girls restroom. So, the solution, have a third option, lets have a 3rd restroom for these kids in a difficult situation. Simple, problem solved. And then - the "Right", the Religious, Republicans, just 'lost-their-shit'. And decided this is the group to pile on. Here is a hot button issue we can whip up the crowd with. I've never seen or heard anybody on the left doing anything like the boogie man situations that the 'right' is portraying. The examples are all made up. There are NOT some huge number of grown men dressed up as women using restrooms and stealing girls, there are not some massive number of male athletes stealing awards from girls. These are all just fiction to feed to the right wing. Meanwhile. Trans people are just caught in the middle. They didn't start any of this. There are real genetic disorders which do not go by the visual genital's. I think most people on the right think you should just be able to reach in someone's pants and figure it out.

oreo_cake 3y ago

> There you go. Now you are starting to see the problem. Definitions have shifted over time. The current population (not the population of decades ago) and 'generally on the right', do not understand those definitions as you stated, and are driven by 'biblical' interpretations, not science. This redefinition, based on the relatively fringe belief that a man is actually a woman if he says he is (and vice versa), isn't supported by any scientific evidence. Most people find this redefinition somewhat ludicrous but generally didn't care too much until recently, after institutional capture by ideologists holding this belief and the negative effects of it being applied to law and policy, for women and children most of all, became apparent.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
I would disagree with the order of those events. Originally there was simply an attempt to protect a victimized group. Say, for example, let trans kids (and lets be honest these kids are having a hard life) use a different bathroom. Perhaps to relieve these kids already difficult situation. Why make a boyish girl use the girls room and get teased by the girls, and who knows what would happen if they were put in with the boys. Or why make a female boy 'twink' continue to get sexually harassed by the football team, but of course, can't put a boy into the girls restroom. So, the solution, have a third option, lets have a 3rd restroom for these kids in a difficult situation. Simple, problem solved. And then - the "Right", the Religious, Republicans, just 'lost-their-shit'. And decided this is the group to pile on. Here is a hot button issue we can whip up the crowd with. I've never seen or heard anybody on the left doing anything like the boogie man situations that the 'right' is portraying. The examples are all made up. There are NOT some huge number of grown men dressed up as women using restrooms and stealing girls, there are not some massive number of male athletes stealing awards from girls. These are all just fiction to feed to the right wing. Meanwhile. Trans people are just caught in the middle. They didn't start any of this. There are real genetic disorders which do not go by the visual genital's. I think most people on the right think you should just be able to reach in someone's pants and figure it out.