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Same here. 22 years experience full stack; leadership roles. Can't get an interview. Taking an ML class. I think telling some recruiters I had a baby on the way

Same here. 22 years experience full stack; leadership roles. Can't get an interview. Taking an ML class. I think telling some recruiters I had a baby on the way was a mistake.

pokepim 3y ago
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sosodev 3y ago
You’re struggling with 22 YOE? That’s unfathomable to me
- agumonkey 3y ago
  this industry seems to be more and more senseless. or maybe it was a bubble and we're falling back to the norm where enterprises are your enemies..
- lrem 3y ago
  Possibly the ageism in our profession is not only a myth?
  - ItsBob 3y ago
    I've heard about that many many times yet I don't believe I've ever experienced it (I'm in the UK and in my late 40s). I am a contractor and for the most part it's still, thankfully, a meritocracy. So experience is, in my opinion, the biggest factor. I have no doubt that sometimes, perhaps for the entry-level roles, they will discriminate against age but for senior roles, due to the cost of the candidate and the potential damage they can do, a younger candidate without the experience, could affect them badly.
throwaway2037 3y ago
I definitely hide everything about my private life when speaking with recruiters or potential employers. On the first day that you walk in the door of your new employer, dump all your personal problems (that you choose) on your new boss. It is the only chance you have to do it. All other times are "inconvenient" or an excuse to say no-to-hire or give you a lousy rating or layoff. Women have been facing this ... forever in the office. The smartest ones learn to play these games.
darkwater 3y ago
Out of curiosity, what's your definition of "full stack", if you started working in the early '00s?
- hamburglar 3y ago
  I’m confused by the question. Are you under the impression that the term “full stack” didn’t exist in the early ‘00s? I recall the term already being an overused joke by then. It basically just means that whatever stack you got, the person can work on all parts of it.
  - darkwater 3y ago
    Never heard the full stack term in early '00s, but I was very very junior so it might be me, anyway I'm pretty sure that nowadays "full stack" has a specific meaning (basically only related to web development) and that it was different back in the day
    - hamburglar 3y ago
      Is the definition today something beyond “can work client, web front end, web back end, infrastructure, and database”? Because that’s how I thought of it then and that’s my understanding of it still.
    - agumonkey 3y ago
      kinda agree, AFAIK full stack term became mainstream when front and back got closer due to ajax, maybe it was already used in the days of LAMP which was a `whole stack` too
    - mpeg 3y ago
      I didn't start working that early but still find it hard to define because these days "full stack" is someone who can write frontend and backend web apps – but on my first few jobs "full stack" was anything from writing javascript for the web to setting up or troubleshooting a server, or debugging a SQL query plan I think the best description is "give me a piece of tech and I can probably figure it out"
mpeg 3y ago
I have had the same experience job hunting with 15 years experience as full stack and leadership. The market is awful right now, I either get rejected outright with some automated email or I get through to interviews where they clearly haven't read my cv and they'll ask if I have experience managing teams of 100+ (I don't) I don't even know what the overlap between people that are looking for jobs at my level and people who have managed huge teams is... everyone I know who have managed teams that large is on massive comp packages at FAANG type companies. It's all very confusing, it made me feel like I've picked the wrong field. I have been lucky enough in my career that I have a long runway, but I'm also not rich enough to retire and do something crazy like buy a farm like I've seen other people in my situation do. Very frustrating situation, I have been trying to work on my own projects but I'm not a natural salesperson so it takes a lot of effort to motivate myself to do things like cold calls or even cold emails.
KirillPanov 3y ago
I have my system configured to auto-delete all applications containing the phrase "full stack". Best decision I ever made.
- lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
  Why?

Same here. 22 years experience full stack; leadership roles. Can't get an interview. Taking an ML class. I think telling some recruiters I had a baby on the way was a mistake.

pokepim 3y ago

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sosodev 3y ago

You’re struggling with 22 YOE? That’s unfathomable to me

agumonkey 3y ago
this industry seems to be more and more senseless. or maybe it was a bubble and we're falling back to the norm where enterprises are your enemies..
lrem 3y ago
Possibly the ageism in our profession is not only a myth?
- ItsBob 3y ago
  I've heard about that many many times yet I don't believe I've ever experienced it (I'm in the UK and in my late 40s). I am a contractor and for the most part it's still, thankfully, a meritocracy. So experience is, in my opinion, the biggest factor. I have no doubt that sometimes, perhaps for the entry-level roles, they will discriminate against age but for senior roles, due to the cost of the candidate and the potential damage they can do, a younger candidate without the experience, could affect them badly.

throwaway2037 3y ago

I definitely hide everything about my private life when speaking with recruiters or potential employers. On the first day that you walk in the door of your new employer, dump all your personal problems (that you choose) on your new boss. It is the only chance you have to do it. All other times are "inconvenient" or an excuse to say no-to-hire or give you a lousy rating or layoff. Women have been facing this ... forever in the office. The smartest ones learn to play these games.

darkwater 3y ago

Out of curiosity, what's your definition of "full stack", if you started working in the early '00s?

hamburglar 3y ago
I’m confused by the question. Are you under the impression that the term “full stack” didn’t exist in the early ‘00s? I recall the term already being an overused joke by then. It basically just means that whatever stack you got, the person can work on all parts of it.
- darkwater 3y ago
  Never heard the full stack term in early '00s, but I was very very junior so it might be me, anyway I'm pretty sure that nowadays "full stack" has a specific meaning (basically only related to web development) and that it was different back in the day
  - hamburglar 3y ago
    Is the definition today something beyond “can work client, web front end, web back end, infrastructure, and database”? Because that’s how I thought of it then and that’s my understanding of it still.
  - agumonkey 3y ago
    kinda agree, AFAIK full stack term became mainstream when front and back got closer due to ajax, maybe it was already used in the days of LAMP which was a `whole stack` too
  - mpeg 3y ago
    I didn't start working that early but still find it hard to define because these days "full stack" is someone who can write frontend and backend web apps – but on my first few jobs "full stack" was anything from writing javascript for the web to setting up or troubleshooting a server, or debugging a SQL query plan I think the best description is "give me a piece of tech and I can probably figure it out"

mpeg 3y ago

I have had the same experience job hunting with 15 years experience as full stack and leadership. The market is awful right now, I either get rejected outright with some automated email or I get through to interviews where they clearly haven't read my cv and they'll ask if I have experience managing teams of 100+ (I don't) I don't even know what the overlap between people that are looking for jobs at my level and people who have managed huge teams is... everyone I know who have managed teams that large is on massive comp packages at FAANG type companies. It's all very confusing, it made me feel like I've picked the wrong field. I have been lucky enough in my career that I have a long runway, but I'm also not rich enough to retire and do something crazy like buy a farm like I've seen other people in my situation do. Very frustrating situation, I have been trying to work on my own projects but I'm not a natural salesperson so it takes a lot of effort to motivate myself to do things like cold calls or even cold emails.

KirillPanov 3y ago

I have my system configured to auto-delete all applications containing the phrase "full stack". Best decision I ever made.

lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
Why?