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Right, but the way that females judge "the ability to create sexually attractive offspring" is the sexual attractiveness of their partner. So it's completely ta

Right, but the way that females judge "the ability to create sexually attractive offspring" is the sexual attractiveness of their partner. So it's completely tautological.

hgsgm 3y ago
No. Captain America is sexually attractive but not in a heritable way.
- turnsout 3y ago
  Care to explain that? The fact that he's a superhero aside, how is his attractiveness unrelated to heritable traits? In this case, he's strong, good looking and charming, all of which have clear genetic and probably even epigenetic components.
  - tylerhou 3y ago
    In the sense that, his strength and stature are probably not genetically heritable as they aren’t encoded into his genes (although I don’t know my Marvel lore).
    - turnsout 3y ago
      Right but in non-fictional humans, strength and stature are indeed encoded into genes.
      - tomjakubowski 3y ago
        more like baseline and maximum possible (natural) strength are encoded in genes. and even that is still subject to environmental factors (diet growing up, etc)
    - reaperman 3y ago
      I mean, a purposefully limited partial analysis can support this argument applied to Captain America actor Chris Evans as well. He has a good degree of natural sexiness, but also a large amount of his sex-appeal is from steroid use. So it's not heritable. However, a more detailed analysis might be used to argue that in a world where steroids are highly available, Chris Evan's genetics facilitate/complement the use of that available resource better than other genetics. But the steroid use could also be considered a "Supernormal stimulus"[0], which hijacks/cheats sexual selection criteria with specially tailored artificial stimuli. Relevant would be instagram filters, steroids, plastic surgery, makeup, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus
- reaperman 3y ago
  This falls under "supernormal stimulus"[0], which is where artificial stimuli is favored over the naturally occurring stimuli. A fake signal can hijack/overload the existing sexual selection criteria by being "even sexier" than naturally possible. This is particularly relevant in the age of instagram filters, steroids, plastic surgery, makeup, etc. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus

Right, but the way that females judge "the ability to create sexually attractive offspring" is the sexual attractiveness of their partner. So it's completely tautological.

hgsgm 3y ago

No. Captain America is sexually attractive but not in a heritable way.

turnsout 3y ago
Care to explain that? The fact that he's a superhero aside, how is his attractiveness unrelated to heritable traits? In this case, he's strong, good looking and charming, all of which have clear genetic and probably even epigenetic components.
- tylerhou 3y ago
  In the sense that, his strength and stature are probably not genetically heritable as they aren’t encoded into his genes (although I don’t know my Marvel lore).
  - turnsout 3y ago
    Right but in non-fictional humans, strength and stature are indeed encoded into genes.
    - tomjakubowski 3y ago
      more like baseline and maximum possible (natural) strength are encoded in genes. and even that is still subject to environmental factors (diet growing up, etc)
  - reaperman 3y ago
    I mean, a purposefully limited partial analysis can support this argument applied to Captain America actor Chris Evans as well. He has a good degree of natural sexiness, but also a large amount of his sex-appeal is from steroid use. So it's not heritable. However, a more detailed analysis might be used to argue that in a world where steroids are highly available, Chris Evan's genetics facilitate/complement the use of that available resource better than other genetics. But the steroid use could also be considered a "Supernormal stimulus"[0], which hijacks/cheats sexual selection criteria with specially tailored artificial stimuli. Relevant would be instagram filters, steroids, plastic surgery, makeup, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus
reaperman 3y ago
This falls under "supernormal stimulus"[0], which is where artificial stimuli is favored over the naturally occurring stimuli. A fake signal can hijack/overload the existing sexual selection criteria by being "even sexier" than naturally possible. This is particularly relevant in the age of instagram filters, steroids, plastic surgery, makeup, etc. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus