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>The backlash to her actions — tearing up a picture of Pope John Paul II on “Saturday Night Live” and then shouting “Fight the real enemy!” — was swift. I watc

>The backlash to her actions — tearing up a picture of Pope John Paul II on “Saturday Night Live” and then shouting “Fight the real enemy!” — was swift. I watched that in person (on TV meaning I was alive when it happened). It was such a coded message, it would have been better if it was more direct.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
"Katniss, remember who the real enemy is!"
hoistbypetard 3y ago
What more direct message do you think would've been better, and how would it have been better? Is there a specific channel, statement, or way of phrasing it that would have materially changed something, in your view? I don't think you're engaging in this at all, but it was quite a tactic back in the day to tell people who'd been harmed that they needed to speak more directly, and that if only they had done so, the powers that be would've addressed their grievances. Spoiler: that was never the case.
- Clubber 3y ago
  "Priests are sexually abusing children in the Catholic Church," would have been nice and probably way more effective at stopping it sooner.
  - stevenwoo 3y ago
    She may have been talking about the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland of which she was a victim, and for which the Irish government apologized for a few years after the photo ripping incident (and a thorough investigation). It's a different scandal where Catholic dioceses made money off of young women and girls by institutionalizing them and making them work, and would have been more difficult to explain to Americans in the nascent public internet times. Also the photo was her mother's, who also abused her so a lot going on there symbolically.
    - Anthony-G 3y ago
      I’d with this comment. In an interview, she said that the photograph had been prominently displayed in her mother’s house where she had been abused. After her mother died, she took the photo with the intention of destroying it some day (as a symbol of the hypocritical abuse she suffered).
pyuser583 3y ago
So did I. It was not all clear what she was trying to say. It wasnt even clear she was attacking Catholicism. Seemed she was mad at John Paul II. I kind of assume it was about women’s ordination, although I don’t know where that idea came from.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  She sang a whole song immediately beforehand explaining quite straightforwardly what she was angry about: https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/16021642/War https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/16021642/War

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

"Katniss, remember who the real enemy is!"

hoistbypetard 3y ago

What more direct message do you think would've been better, and how would it have been better? Is there a specific channel, statement, or way of phrasing it that would have materially changed something, in your view? I don't think you're engaging in this at all, but it was quite a tactic back in the day to tell people who'd been harmed that they needed to speak more directly, and that if only they had done so, the powers that be would've addressed their grievances. Spoiler: that was never the case.

Clubber 3y ago
"Priests are sexually abusing children in the Catholic Church," would have been nice and probably way more effective at stopping it sooner.
- stevenwoo 3y ago
  She may have been talking about the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland of which she was a victim, and for which the Irish government apologized for a few years after the photo ripping incident (and a thorough investigation). It's a different scandal where Catholic dioceses made money off of young women and girls by institutionalizing them and making them work, and would have been more difficult to explain to Americans in the nascent public internet times. Also the photo was her mother's, who also abused her so a lot going on there symbolically.
  - Anthony-G 3y ago
    I’d with this comment. In an interview, she said that the photograph had been prominently displayed in her mother’s house where she had been abused. After her mother died, she took the photo with the intention of destroying it some day (as a symbol of the hypocritical abuse she suffered).

pyuser583 3y ago

So did I. It was not all clear what she was trying to say. It wasnt even clear she was attacking Catholicism. Seemed she was mad at John Paul II. I kind of assume it was about women’s ordination, although I don’t know where that idea came from.

anigbrowl 3y ago
She sang a whole song immediately beforehand explaining quite straightforwardly what she was angry about: https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/16021642/War https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/16021642/War