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I'm not screaming and my intention is to be respectful in my engagement. The government taking kids from families is an incredibly delicate subject. I think th

I'm not screaming and my intention is to be respectful in my engagement. The government taking kids from families is an incredibly delicate subject. I think that we can all agree that it should never happen with one important exception: if the child is in danger by their own family. I think we could come up with some horrific scenarios that is the (unfortunate) right thing to do. It should done only in the most extreme cases, with extreme oversight and opportunities for redress etc. There have been miscarriages of justice in this in the past, so it would be naive to say that the system is perfect and nobody should be bothered if and when it happens. That said, taking kids away to allow them to transition (at a superficial level) does seem to be crossing a line. I'm going to have to look deeper into the actual legislation because I also am aware there's a lot of disinformation in this subject. I know three families with trans kids. One happened very early (I had no idea she was trans until I was told), the other after going away to college, and the third is a teenager that may or may not be but they're rolling with whatever way the child sees fit. Those kids are lucky, because their parents love them and accept them for who they are, but not all kids are so lucky. Some parents are not so accepting and will do everything to stop them, going as far as disowning them (or killing them). https://www.advocate.com/crime/2021/3/04/trans-and-nonbinary-siblings-shot-death-mother-charged https://www.advocate.com/crime/2021/3/04/trans-and-nonbinary... Many runaways leave home because of sexual abuse: https://childsafety.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/runaways.html https://childsafety.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/runaways.ht... And finally, I'd like to point out that the reason that the GOP loves demonizing trans people is because it's a highly effective tool to emotionally manipulate voters using fear and hate. They did it will gays a generation before, it's not a new trick. This is a nuanced subject and requires nuanced reasoning.

triffil 3y ago
> Those kids are lucky, because their parents love them and accept them for who they are, Sounds to me like they're accepting them for who they aren't. Which is a big problem, as these kids are going to have an awful shock when they grow older and realize that most people in the outside world don't go along with the lie that man can become women and women can become men. To gaslight these children into believing otherwise is terrible parenting bordering on child abuse. Especially if these kids had so-called 'gender-affirming' medical or surgical interventions inflicted upon them. It's awful really.
- pstuart 3y ago
  So your point is that these kids are making a horrible mistake that they are too young to understand. I'll agree that this is a potential problem and that it does happen, albeit a very small percent of the them (~ 3% in the US): https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ The parents are not gaslighting them, because they're also painfully aware that there are people who hate and fear them for who they are, but there are also those that will love them. These are incontrovertible facts. I understand that what they're doing is "not normal", and it's clear that you are deeply offended by how they're choosing to live their lives. But here's the thing, it's really none of our business. You're being coached on a daily basis to hate and fear these people and to be angry enough to vote for the people who want to eliminate them. I'm not saying that in a morally condemning way, it's a simple observation of what makes the political machine work. Do you know any trans folk? Have you ever talked to any? I have, and their stories prove you wrong that their decision on how to live their life was the correct one.
- pstuart 3y ago
  One more key point -- approximately 1 percent of the population is born intersex: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/key-issues-facing-people-intersex-traits/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/key-issues-facing-p... That means they're born literal with both sexes, and "correcting" that is effectively 50% accuracy. So please tell me how immoral they are for "fixing" the original "correction" when it was done incorrectly.

triffil 3y ago

> Those kids are lucky, because their parents love them and accept them for who they are, Sounds to me like they're accepting them for who they aren't. Which is a big problem, as these kids are going to have an awful shock when they grow older and realize that most people in the outside world don't go along with the lie that man can become women and women can become men. To gaslight these children into believing otherwise is terrible parenting bordering on child abuse. Especially if these kids had so-called 'gender-affirming' medical or surgical interventions inflicted upon them. It's awful really.

pstuart 3y ago
So your point is that these kids are making a horrible mistake that they are too young to understand. I'll agree that this is a potential problem and that it does happen, albeit a very small percent of the them (~ 3% in the US): https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ The parents are not gaslighting them, because they're also painfully aware that there are people who hate and fear them for who they are, but there are also those that will love them. These are incontrovertible facts. I understand that what they're doing is "not normal", and it's clear that you are deeply offended by how they're choosing to live their lives. But here's the thing, it's really none of our business. You're being coached on a daily basis to hate and fear these people and to be angry enough to vote for the people who want to eliminate them. I'm not saying that in a morally condemning way, it's a simple observation of what makes the political machine work. Do you know any trans folk? Have you ever talked to any? I have, and their stories prove you wrong that their decision on how to live their life was the correct one.
pstuart 3y ago
One more key point -- approximately 1 percent of the population is born intersex: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/key-issues-facing-people-intersex-traits/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/key-issues-facing-p... That means they're born literal with both sexes, and "correcting" that is effectively 50% accuracy. So please tell me how immoral they are for "fixing" the original "correction" when it was done incorrectly.