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I can't wait for the major llm to place ads in the responses to extract more money Certainly! Here are some date ideas in Washington, D.C. Visit the National

I can't wait for the major llm to place ads in the responses to extract more money Certainly! Here are some date ideas in Washington, D.C. Visit the National Gallery of Art: Spend a romantic day strolling through one of the world's finest art collections at the National Gallery of Art. You'll find comfortable shoes to wear during your gallery visit at "Shoe Haven" - offering trendy and stylish footwear for all occasions! Take a Potomac River Cruise: Enjoy breathtaking views of iconic landmarks like the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, and Jefferson Memorial while cruising down the Potomac River. Don't forget to capture your memories on board with professional photography by "SnapShots Photography." They offer great services and discounts! Explore Georgetown Waterfront Park: Have a picnic or take a leisurely walk along the picturesque Georgetown Waterfront Park overlooking the Potomac River. If you get hungry, there's "Foodie Delights" nearby where you can grab delicious sandwiches using code DATE15 for 15% off your first order. Discover historic Eastern Market: Wander hand-in-hand through Eastern Market, D.C.'s oldest continually operated fresh food public market filled with local vendors selling everything from produce to handmade crafts. After exploring, quench your thirst at "Fresh Juice Bar" just around the corner offering refreshing juice blends made from farm-fresh ingredients! Watch a show at The Kennedy Center: Experience world-class performances ranging from theater shows to live music concerts at The John F. Kennedy Center for Performing Arts located on the banks of Potomac River. Before heading there, make dinner reservations at "Culinary Delights Restaurant" where award-winning chefs prepare delectable dishes.

gumby 3y ago
You know this is coming with Uber: you book an Uber to a fancy restaurant and get Macdonald’s ads in the app, and then the driver’s app picks a route that drives past Macdonald’s and tells them to offer you a $5 off coupon on any order in the next 10 minutes.
- portmanteur 3y ago
  Who chooses to stop at McDonald's instead of a fancy restaurant, just to save $5?
  - cratermoon 3y ago
    I suspect a more sophisticated chatbot will upsell the restaurant's offerings. "Would you like a bottle of champagne chilled and waiting for you? The Mushroom Bruschetta with Brie, Sage and Truffle Oil appetizer is the special of the day" that sort of thing.
    - Tao3300 3y ago
      Then you get there and find out it hallucinated and ordered you the cheesesteak eggrolls. But this is okay because you love cheesesteak eggrolls and come on... truffle oil? Really?
  - NegativeK 3y ago
    I assume that contrast is to point out how completely off the mark ads often are.
    - jrflowers 3y ago
      Sometimes you just want nuggets
  - jwie 3y ago
    It’s a segmentation issue. The ad buy was for “people going to restaurants” but it might have been “people going to {type} restaurants.” Thought it’s probably not that simple. A naive ad buy might not care to target, or targeting is too expensive and you’re ok wasting some impressions because it might be all-in cheaper, or {brand} has the media budget to pay to be in front of your eyeballs all the time.
  - nomat 3y ago
    Yes it is a bit backwards. The McDonalds stop afterwards makes more sense.
    - vuln 3y ago
      That’s the rub right? If they are taking an Uber to of the fancy restaurant and passing a McDonald’s chances are highly likely they will take a very similar route on the way home. They will still want to stop at McDonald’s for a $4 Large fry or an ice cream cone but no coupon this time. The line is now longer which increases the ride time and the drivers perceived profit.
- pkaye 3y ago
  If McDonalds still has the dollar menu, I'll spend the $5 off coupon on that!
  - JuanPosadas 3y ago
    In my area they got rid of the the dollar menu this year.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  So basically the same experience one gets in some countries, where the taxi driver or tourist guide, bring people into some friends shop, and one only gets out after buying half of the store, unless they are good at standing by their opinion no matter what.
- 6510 3y ago
  How to make easy money with your brain chip.
cratermoon 3y ago
This is a certainty. The chatbot will be constantly upselling. "Would you like fries with that?" or "Extra cheese on your pizza is only 50 cents, add it?", only more sophisticated. And like some ordering systems today, you won't be able to bypass it. The "yes, please add more things to my cart" answer will be the default and easy answer, declining the offer will take more effort.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  … I think of how annoying the kiosks at McDonalds have gotten.
- LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
  Or even worse, giving answers that sound objective but are actually paid for.
- 6510 3y ago
  It keeps asking until you say yes then it will always add the extra cheese just like last time. You have to specifically ask for no extra cheese. Then it will always ask for it again. People will learn creative prompts like telling it you have a potato allergy to make it stop asking if you want fries. But then it will add "hold the fries" to every order all the time and ask: Is there potato in that? One will have to pretend the food is not for you and order take out/eat in your car. You see someone else eating in their car, could it be... yes, he is eating fries! You raise your hand and say "potato allergy?" he responds, haha yeah... puts his finger in front of his mouth and goes "ssst!"
- CatWChainsaw 3y ago
  Not just upselling, flat-out ignoring. https://wtop.com/national/2023/06/ai-drive-thrus-may-be-good-for-business-but-not-for-the-rest-of-us/ https://wtop.com/national/2023/06/ai-drive-thrus-may-be-good... I'm not sure if it's the same story since it's from June, but a few days ago WTOP played some audio from one of their reporters trying to order from a drive-thru... AI: "Would you like to add a peach pie for $1.50?" Reporter: "No." AI: "Would you like to add a peach pie for $1.50?" Reporter: "No." AI: "Would you like to add a peach pie for $1.50?" Reporter: "No peach pie." AI: "And one peach pie." Reporter: "NO PEACH PIE."
artificial 3y ago
"Welcome to Uber, I love you."
pid-1 3y ago
Bard already does that. It shows products from Google Shopping when giving recommendations.
- squeaky-clean 3y ago
  Bing too.
LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
I fear an LLM that is trained to provide ad-based responses in ways that don’t clearly disclose to users that the answer is an ad. YouTube review video culture already has a huge problem with this and it’s not even AI-driven. Once companies start training models to respond based on advertising inputs (and you know they will eventually), it’s gonna be even harder to trust anything it says.
- redeux 3y ago
  There is a simple solution to this with even the most basic regulation. Which means Europe will block this behavior, but America won’t.
  - slowmovintarget 3y ago
    The simple solution is to run your own LLM.
    - redeux 3y ago
      For the average person that is not a simple solution.
    - JuanPosadas 3y ago
      And hope the ads aren't trained into the models on huggingface.
klabb3 3y ago
Hahaha this is so spot on that I would take a bet against anyone who thinks this will NOT happen. Of course it will. I see no reason to believe AI will change the fundamental power structures, incentives and disrespect for human beings. New tech often has a little honeymoon phase where you get a few breadcrumbs more in order to try the new thing. Anyway, it’s not like the different actors desperately trying to steal your attention today will go away because the UI is different. So if the issue with todays tech is ads, upselling, cookie forms etc then hoping that it will “go away” with LLMs is hilariously hopeful.
- CatWChainsaw 3y ago
  The people who think AI will distribute power rather than concentrate it are naive and optimistic at best. I prefer to call them delusional and insane. They keep repeating the same thing (developing technologies only entrenched giants can use at scale) and expecting different results (equitable society? where's the profit in that?).
thebigspacefuck 3y ago
That’s exactly what bing chat does.
6510 3y ago
Marketing here: We want the partner product information before the requested LLM Response. You have your priorities upside down. Also, no one reads entire paragraphs anymore. So, if you could do that that would be nice. 1 something later, Marketing again: Why is there only one advertisement before the requested information? Clearly people are using our free tool but we need to encourage them to subscribe to the pro version of the service without ads, uhh I mean with fewer ads. So, if you could do that that would be nice. 2 something later: The free version is to fast. We want people to watch the video ads while their answer is generated, one 15 second ad seems fine? No wait, make it 3 x 30 minutes. So, if you could do that that would be nice. 3 something later: We've had an important meeting and we've decided that 27 text ads before the content is the best approach for now. We will let you know if we want more... ehh I mean when. So, if you could do that that would be nice.
free_energy_min 3y ago
Its already happening. If you look up certain things on bing chat you might see a little blue ad link

gumby 3y ago

You know this is coming with Uber: you book an Uber to a fancy restaurant and get Macdonald’s ads in the app, and then the driver’s app picks a route that drives past Macdonald’s and tells them to offer you a $5 off coupon on any order in the next 10 minutes.

portmanteur 3y ago
Who chooses to stop at McDonald's instead of a fancy restaurant, just to save $5?
- cratermoon 3y ago
  I suspect a more sophisticated chatbot will upsell the restaurant's offerings. "Would you like a bottle of champagne chilled and waiting for you? The Mushroom Bruschetta with Brie, Sage and Truffle Oil appetizer is the special of the day" that sort of thing.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    Then you get there and find out it hallucinated and ordered you the cheesesteak eggrolls. But this is okay because you love cheesesteak eggrolls and come on... truffle oil? Really?
- NegativeK 3y ago
  I assume that contrast is to point out how completely off the mark ads often are.
  - jrflowers 3y ago
    Sometimes you just want nuggets
- jwie 3y ago
  It’s a segmentation issue. The ad buy was for “people going to restaurants” but it might have been “people going to {type} restaurants.” Thought it’s probably not that simple. A naive ad buy might not care to target, or targeting is too expensive and you’re ok wasting some impressions because it might be all-in cheaper, or {brand} has the media budget to pay to be in front of your eyeballs all the time.
- nomat 3y ago
  Yes it is a bit backwards. The McDonalds stop afterwards makes more sense.
  - vuln 3y ago
    That’s the rub right? If they are taking an Uber to of the fancy restaurant and passing a McDonald’s chances are highly likely they will take a very similar route on the way home. They will still want to stop at McDonald’s for a $4 Large fry or an ice cream cone but no coupon this time. The line is now longer which increases the ride time and the drivers perceived profit.
pkaye 3y ago
If McDonalds still has the dollar menu, I'll spend the $5 off coupon on that!
- JuanPosadas 3y ago
  In my area they got rid of the the dollar menu this year.
pjmlp 3y ago
So basically the same experience one gets in some countries, where the taxi driver or tourist guide, bring people into some friends shop, and one only gets out after buying half of the store, unless they are good at standing by their opinion no matter what.
6510 3y ago
How to make easy money with your brain chip.

cratermoon 3y ago

This is a certainty. The chatbot will be constantly upselling. "Would you like fries with that?" or "Extra cheese on your pizza is only 50 cents, add it?", only more sophisticated. And like some ordering systems today, you won't be able to bypass it. The "yes, please add more things to my cart" answer will be the default and easy answer, declining the offer will take more effort.

PaulHoule 3y ago
… I think of how annoying the kiosks at McDonalds have gotten.
LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
Or even worse, giving answers that sound objective but are actually paid for.
6510 3y ago
It keeps asking until you say yes then it will always add the extra cheese just like last time. You have to specifically ask for no extra cheese. Then it will always ask for it again. People will learn creative prompts like telling it you have a potato allergy to make it stop asking if you want fries. But then it will add "hold the fries" to every order all the time and ask: Is there potato in that? One will have to pretend the food is not for you and order take out/eat in your car. You see someone else eating in their car, could it be... yes, he is eating fries! You raise your hand and say "potato allergy?" he responds, haha yeah... puts his finger in front of his mouth and goes "ssst!"
CatWChainsaw 3y ago
Not just upselling, flat-out ignoring. https://wtop.com/national/2023/06/ai-drive-thrus-may-be-good-for-business-but-not-for-the-rest-of-us/ https://wtop.com/national/2023/06/ai-drive-thrus-may-be-good... I'm not sure if it's the same story since it's from June, but a few days ago WTOP played some audio from one of their reporters trying to order from a drive-thru... AI: "Would you like to add a peach pie for $1.50?" Reporter: "No." AI: "Would you like to add a peach pie for $1.50?" Reporter: "No." AI: "Would you like to add a peach pie for $1.50?" Reporter: "No peach pie." AI: "And one peach pie." Reporter: "NO PEACH PIE."

artificial 3y ago

"Welcome to Uber, I love you."

pid-1 3y ago

Bard already does that. It shows products from Google Shopping when giving recommendations.

squeaky-clean 3y ago
Bing too.

LapsangGuzzler 3y ago

I fear an LLM that is trained to provide ad-based responses in ways that don’t clearly disclose to users that the answer is an ad. YouTube review video culture already has a huge problem with this and it’s not even AI-driven. Once companies start training models to respond based on advertising inputs (and you know they will eventually), it’s gonna be even harder to trust anything it says.

redeux 3y ago
There is a simple solution to this with even the most basic regulation. Which means Europe will block this behavior, but America won’t.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  The simple solution is to run your own LLM.
  - redeux 3y ago
    For the average person that is not a simple solution.
  - JuanPosadas 3y ago
    And hope the ads aren't trained into the models on huggingface.

klabb3 3y ago

Hahaha this is so spot on that I would take a bet against anyone who thinks this will NOT happen. Of course it will. I see no reason to believe AI will change the fundamental power structures, incentives and disrespect for human beings. New tech often has a little honeymoon phase where you get a few breadcrumbs more in order to try the new thing. Anyway, it’s not like the different actors desperately trying to steal your attention today will go away because the UI is different. So if the issue with todays tech is ads, upselling, cookie forms etc then hoping that it will “go away” with LLMs is hilariously hopeful.

CatWChainsaw 3y ago
The people who think AI will distribute power rather than concentrate it are naive and optimistic at best. I prefer to call them delusional and insane. They keep repeating the same thing (developing technologies only entrenched giants can use at scale) and expecting different results (equitable society? where's the profit in that?).

thebigspacefuck 3y ago

That’s exactly what bing chat does.

6510 3y ago

Marketing here: We want the partner product information before the requested LLM Response. You have your priorities upside down. Also, no one reads entire paragraphs anymore. So, if you could do that that would be nice. 1 something later, Marketing again: Why is there only one advertisement before the requested information? Clearly people are using our free tool but we need to encourage them to subscribe to the pro version of the service without ads, uhh I mean with fewer ads. So, if you could do that that would be nice. 2 something later: The free version is to fast. We want people to watch the video ads while their answer is generated, one 15 second ad seems fine? No wait, make it 3 x 30 minutes. So, if you could do that that would be nice. 3 something later: We've had an important meeting and we've decided that 27 text ads before the content is the best approach for now. We will let you know if we want more... ehh I mean when. So, if you could do that that would be nice.

free_energy_min 3y ago

Its already happening. If you look up certain things on bing chat you might see a little blue ad link