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"There's no religious grounds for opposing it because marriage is a legal matter." No, it isn't. For some it's strictly a legal matter, for others it's both a

"There's no religious grounds for opposing it because marriage is a legal matter." No, it isn't. For some it's strictly a legal matter, for others it's both a legal matter and a religious matter. That's why you can legally marry in 5 minutes by placing a signature, and separately marry "for church". "The ceremony that many churches do that they call marriage has no legal standing" That's not the point of the ritual.

smoldesu 3y ago
The distinction is irrelevant. Whether or not you consider Eich's contribution to be offensive, the inciting action was strictly related to the legal aspect. Plus, even if this was a strictly religious belief, that doesn't protect him from the criticism of peers. That's the cost of picking people to make your enemy. Eich resigned after the reaction.
- dahwolf 3y ago
  If that is the cost (cheap pile-ons to go after someone's job) would you apply the same method to any of your moslim colleagues? Or is that "different"?
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    You're putting words in my mouth; the cost is criticism. Brendan Eich surrendered his job after thousands of people called for his removal. If my colleagues, "moslim" or otherwise, were in this position, I would only say 'tough luck'
    - dahwolf 3y ago
      Again: do you equally call for the removal of your Muslim co-workers, based on their believes, which on this matter are on average far more..."restrictive"? You cannot participate in (or plainly accept..."tough luck") the criticism on Brendan if you're not also willing to apply the same criticism to pretty much every muslim worldwide. So, do you measure by one standard, or two?
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        Reread my last post, I didn't misunderstand what you said. > You cannot participate in (or plainly accept..."tough luck") I disagree.
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        When a muslim coworker donates $1000 to support overturning marriage equality, yes, I would absolutely tell them that's fucked up and if they were in a C level position I would voice an opinion that they do not uphold our company's explicit core value to be inclusive. I absolutely do not give a fuck about what someone PRIVATELY believes. The problem is not religious people believing in something, the problem is religious people FORCING their beliefs into law. When muslim people do that, it's called Sharia law and I am against that, same as I am against laws based on christian beliefs.

smoldesu 3y ago

The distinction is irrelevant. Whether or not you consider Eich's contribution to be offensive, the inciting action was strictly related to the legal aspect. Plus, even if this was a strictly religious belief, that doesn't protect him from the criticism of peers. That's the cost of picking people to make your enemy. Eich resigned after the reaction.

dahwolf 3y ago
If that is the cost (cheap pile-ons to go after someone's job) would you apply the same method to any of your moslim colleagues? Or is that "different"?
- smoldesu 3y ago
  You're putting words in my mouth; the cost is criticism. Brendan Eich surrendered his job after thousands of people called for his removal. If my colleagues, "moslim" or otherwise, were in this position, I would only say 'tough luck'
  - dahwolf 3y ago
    Again: do you equally call for the removal of your Muslim co-workers, based on their believes, which on this matter are on average far more..."restrictive"? You cannot participate in (or plainly accept..."tough luck") the criticism on Brendan if you're not also willing to apply the same criticism to pretty much every muslim worldwide. So, do you measure by one standard, or two?
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Reread my last post, I didn't misunderstand what you said. > You cannot participate in (or plainly accept..."tough luck") I disagree.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      When a muslim coworker donates $1000 to support overturning marriage equality, yes, I would absolutely tell them that's fucked up and if they were in a C level position I would voice an opinion that they do not uphold our company's explicit core value to be inclusive. I absolutely do not give a fuck about what someone PRIVATELY believes. The problem is not religious people believing in something, the problem is religious people FORCING their beliefs into law. When muslim people do that, it's called Sharia law and I am against that, same as I am against laws based on christian beliefs.