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I can't help but wonder how much of the Chat** hype is driven by a frustration with the state of modern user experiences. The dream it seems to tap into is "You

• jacob019 3y ago
  make money from content without ads... you make it sound simple
  • mulmen 3y ago
    I pay for Paramount Plus and they still show me ads. They can’t help themselves!
    • all2 3y ago
      Money. It's all about the money and what people will put up with.
    • avereveard 3y ago
      Dane with dazn, they started serving me ads before starting any stream last month so I'm going to cancel the subscription at the first opportunity I have to get into the cable company shop (because of course you cannot do that via web)
    • Spoom 3y ago
      I cancelled Paramount Plus when I heard about the content deletions. I paid for ad-free and they started showing me unskippable preroll ads for their own shows before anything. They absolutely do not care about their customers.
    • lkramer 3y ago
      Isn't it just cable all over? In the beginning cable sold itself as TV without ads, then came the ads. It seems to be exactly what's happening with streaming now.
      • midoridensha 3y ago
        And then these companies get mad when people return to sailing the high seas.
• dvngnt_ 3y ago
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  • gumby 3y ago
    You know this is coming with Uber: you book an Uber to a fancy restaurant and get Macdonald’s ads in the app, and then the driver’s app picks a route that drives past Macdonald’s and tells them to offer you a $5 off coupon on any order in the next 10 minutes.
    • portmanteur 3y ago
      Who chooses to stop at McDonald's instead of a fancy restaurant, just to save $5?
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• JohnFen 3y ago
  > The dream it seems to tap into is "You don't need to deal with the arbitrary whims of 5 different groups of web designers, just talk to one thing and get a single response." This calls to mind the old joke: "a person with one watch always knows what time it is, a person with two watches is never sure." But the thing is, a person with one watch can't be sure the time they have is correct. For more complicated things, don't you want multiple answers? How do you know the one answer you got is the best one?
  • Aperocky 3y ago
    > How do you know the one answer you got is the best one? That's the best part, you don't.
    • pixl97 3y ago
      You execute each answer in its own reality and choose the best outcome by pruning the rest.
      • jadbox 3y ago
        ...but how will you be able to message pass to determine if your reality is the one with the best outcome (compared to others)?
  • mszcz 3y ago
    Ha! I asked Bard a couple of nights ago about some TV series (circa 2021) trivia - "does xxx die in season xxx of show xxx?". The answer looked suspicious so I clicked "view alternative answers" or something. I only read the beginnings which were "yes, ...", "no, ..." and "yes, ...". Really satisfied my curiosity right there...
• hgsgm 3y ago
  My bank replaced* its functional UI by a chatbot. Guess what the chat it does?. Spam me with ads. Actually, the UI exists, but the only way to get to it is via the chatbot. Chatbots exist to force a linear interaction wehere ads are harder to avoid.
  • reaperducer 3y ago
    Name and shame, so the rest of us know which bank to avoid.
  • nomat 3y ago
    hey yeah chatbots are kind of like the text version of mobile UIs. Amazon, threads, instagram, offerup, facebook. They hide any useful navigation options and present you with a list that must be navigated in order, therefore ensuring ads placed in between the list items will be the only thing on the screen for at least 1 attention cycle. Terrifying to think of a future where your device doesn't have any real capability because all the websites and apps are just AI driven chatbots/suggestion engines. this post encapsulates the general feeling. https://032c.com/magazine/berlin-review-lan-party https://032c.com/magazine/berlin-review-lan-party Is this the feeling that every generation gets about the future as they age? oh no
    • xen2xen1 3y ago
      Your name is "Not sure". OK Mr. "Not Sure", please hold out your arm..
• imbnwa 3y ago
  >The dream it seems to tap into is "You don't need to deal with the arbitrary whims of 5 different groups of web designers, just talk to one thing and get a single response." Except that's the business' perspective, because it means paying less people, rather than consumers, who generally wanna talk to and haggle with humans, which requires a business to pay more people.
• PaulHoule 3y ago
  For a while i thought this talk aged poorly https://www.slideshare.net/paulahoule/chatbots-in-2017-ithaca-talk-dec-6 https://www.slideshare.net/paulahoule/chatbots-in-2017-ithac... then the tech caught up with the hype. Or maybe the hype caught up with the hype. Note one motivation for chatbots is to eliminate the problem where any update in a mobile app requires waiting for the app store whereas a thin chat client never needs to be updated but instead you can roll out new features entirely with back end changes.
• hinkley 3y ago
  Ad blindness has fucked me so many times on web UIs. There have been a couple of particularly vivid incidents where the company put some sort of interaction on a page and positioned it and shaped it like an ad. So I bitched about how that button wasn't on that page and it was literally front and center (specifically, slightly right of center with text wrapped around it), but positioned like an ad so I didn't see it.
  • hakfoo 3y ago
    I think the formal term is "Banner Blindness"
  • userbinator 3y ago
    I've experienced this with gigantic download buttons. Took me several seconds of scanning the page to realise the huge green download button was the real thing and not a scam ad as they usually are.
• ilyt 3y ago
  > A great problematic side effect of the web being so ad-driven is it leads to confusing the user interface, which can host ads, with the information. Whoa there, let's start small first and maybe make buttons that look like buttons and links that look like links first... small steps.
• plaguuuuuu 3y ago
  I don't know if this is controversial or not, but I don't think that clicking things on a screen with a mouse will ever be intuitive for humans to the same extent as either * talking to people * manipulating real, physical objects I doubt UIs where you click on shit are going to exist at all in a couple of decades and future young people will look on all the crazy UI design elements as primitive and inelegant curiosities. Similar to how regular people think about pre-win3.1 DOS computing I suppose.
  • lolinder 3y ago
    You must not have kids. We try to limit screen usage, but when my oldest was two he was finding iPhone lock screen features that we didn't even know existed.
  • creata 3y ago
    > I doubt UIs where you click on shit are going to exist at all in a couple of decades I'm not sure what kind of UI you imagine for, say, PowerPoint, or Blender, or Excel.
    • ukuina 3y ago
      Software like Blender, for one, will likely be primarily chat-driven in a decade. The chatbox *is* the UI.
      • yencabulator 3y ago
        Move the thing on the right a little more to the right. No, not that thing!
  • SoftTalker 3y ago
    I refuse to talk conversationally to computers. They are not humans, they are there to be given commands and carry out those commands without a lot of back and forth. I don't even use any of the voice interfaces with my devices, I've disabled Siri and "Hey Google" on all of them. I won't use a chatbot on a website. I simply draw the line and reject this fantasy that a computer can or should be treated like or behave like a person.
• manvillej 3y ago
  The problem isn't the forms. its never been the forms. Its the workflow after. user submits text on a form, something goes and gets done. you want to buy something? you go to a search engine, you search the thing, fill out some fields, you hit enter. a chatbot is a shitty search engine pretending to be a human being. Its a tool. I don't want to have a conversation with my hammer.
• 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
  Perhaps the web is not well-suited for commercialising free information. "Monetisation" as the meme goes.. Using the internet/web to sell widgets, i.e., products or non-internet services, is a different matter, IMO. One that was anticipated from early days.
• account42 3y ago
  > We need publishers to be able to make money from content Do we? For some types of content maybe but for others it will only attract people who are only there to make money and won't care about quality if they can use tricks to get content in front of viewers instead of better content that was made available for free by people actually interested in the topic. I some way, being able to monetize websites is THE cause for the drop of quality in the web. Maybe other forms of monetizaition might provide slightly better incentives than ads but the core problem remains - when there's money to be made, the will be people trying to make it without regards to anything else.