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Annual EFF Awards: Alexandra Elbakyan, Library Freedom Project, and Signal

267 points by mutant_glofish 3y ago

dredmorbius 3y ago
One of the most important factors in changing laws and confronting oppressive forces is to create strong popular awareness and support for those opposing them. Among other things, this makes them far more risky and formidible as targets of opportunity for oppressors. In this sense I hope very much that the cyberrights movement is maturing to recognise that technical means of fighting such oppression are, whilst necessary, not sufficient. EFF are showing an increased awareness of this (and to be fair, have been aware of this for a long time). The explicit recognition of Alexandra Elbakyan, a personal hero to me, is not only richly deserved by a functionally useful step in fighting copyright overreach and publishing monopolies.
- nvy 3y ago
  I think history will remember Alexandra Elbakyan as one of the most important figures of this century. She's very low-profile, but the work she's doing is of fundamental importance to humanity. Locking (usually publicly-funded) scientific knowledge behind obscenely-expensive paywalls is repugnant and should be criminal.
- lannisterstark 3y ago
  >Alexandra Elbakyan, a personal hero to me Let me shatter that illusion. She's very supportive of Putin, Russian regime, and those who in that regime 'stand strong' to the west.
KennyBlanken 3y ago
> Library Freedom Project is radically rethinking the library professional organization by creating a network of values-driven librarian-activists taking action together to build information democracy. LFP offers trainings, resources, and community building for librarians on issues of privacy, surveillance, intellectual freedom, labor rights, power, technology, and more—helping create safer, more private spaces for library patrons to feed their minds and express themselves. Their work is informed by a social justice, feminist, anti-racist approach, and they believe in the combined power of long-term collective organizing and short-term, immediate harm reduction. I'm really struggling to see evidence of any of this on their website. All I see, from an org that started in 2015, is: * A handful of cartoonish, mile-high-overview posters and booklets, most of them formatted for printing, not viewing...none of which have been updated in four years. It's like flipping open your car manual to the section on "driver controls" and seeing: "you should use your vehicle's wipers if it is raining" and nothing more on the matter. * A huge amount of effort put into listing all their many members and their specialties, dwarfing all their other forms of content - but yet, virtually nobody including the founder seems to have the slightest education, work background, published (or otherwise) papers, presentations given at conferences, projects...nothing... in related fields. Correction: Alison has a wikipedia page which explains more, but that's an awfully thin resume for someone heading a digital privacy project these days * Two courses, which ran once, for which there is little to no information, no materials for others to run the courses, etc? * No "immediate harm reduction" resources anywhere in sight; no invitation to contact them for help or to volunteer, except for paid engagements for the executive director * An executive director who hasn't been on social media in two years? This really looks like a typical "professional organization" that is little more than a resume stuffer. For an org with a hundred plus members their work product is basically nill. This is a perfect example of how not to be taken even remotely seriously by anyone, with a cartoonishly exaggerated logo, no citations or references or even the most rudimentary details...not to the mention the accessibility issues from the font: https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/master/LFI4/finalprojects/Ring%20Bookmark-%20Horizontal.pdf https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/ma... Who thought that this was useful, practical advice for your average person? https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Green-Bookmark.pdf https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Green-... How am I supposed to read this? https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/master/LFI2/finalprojects/Library%20Freedom%20Guide%20to%20Harassment-%20111519.pdf https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/ma... This "vendor scorecard" is useless paper-pushing that doesn't in any way, shape, or form help someone interpret their vendor's privacy policies and data sharing policies, which are written intentionally to obfuscate: https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/LFP-Vendor_Privacy_Audit_022121.pdf https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/LFP-Ve...
- Gregordinary 3y ago
  Alison spoke at LibrePlanet 2016 on the Library Freedom Project and some of its programs and initiatives. https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/library-freedom-project-the-long-overdue-partnership-between-libraries-and-free-software/ https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/library-freedo...
m463 3y ago
title "go"
camdenlock 3y ago
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pard68 3y ago
Earlier this week it was a Wired hit piece telling us Signal is full of alt-right boogymen and naziquadroons. Now they're the champions of digital freedom. I'm gonna have whiplash!
- downWidOutaFite 3y ago
  different people have different opinions?
- smartbit 3y ago
  https://www.wired.com/story/signal-politics-software-criticism/ https://www.wired.com/story/signal-politics-software-critici...
  - mitchbob 3y ago
    https://archive.ph/zJYsf https://archive.ph/zJYsf
- defrost 3y ago
  Are you talking about the Wired piece linked by smartbit ? If so this seems like an unfair summary given the piece is very long, the first half sings technical praise, the second half laments the challenges faced, and there's one single small paragraph (that I saw) that mentions some Signal users as possible boogymen: The company’s aggressive pursuit of growth, coupled with lack of moderation in the app, has already led Signal employees themselves to publicly question whether growth might come from abusive users, such as far-right groups using Signal to organize. which seems more of a cautionary note rather than a hit piece.
  - omnimus 3y ago
    I dont understand how you want to have secure e2e messaging app AND not have fascist (and pedophiles, druglords) in there. Of course they are there. The whole point of the app is that it cant be moderated because nobody knows the contents. This must be obvious to anyone using Signal and having atleast remote understand of it. I think that must have been written by some random commenter who think it works like facebook (aka police honeypot).
pyuser583 3y ago
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- passwordoops 3y ago
  -Elbakyan's actions are directly against private gatekeepers of publicly-funded knowledge -Signal is an alternative to the messaging apps that hoover up all your data. Not sure about that 3rd org but I'll be sure to look them up
  - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
    Maybe it doesn't sell all your data, but Signal's threat model is surveillance capitalism alone: >The application uses a centralized computing architecture >Registration for desktop use requires an iOS or Android device >Signal uses mobile telephone numbers as an identifier for users. >OWS had received a subpoena requiring them to provide information associated with two phone numbers for a federal grand jury investigation in the first half of 2016. Only one of the two phone numbers was registered on Signal, and because of how the service is designed, OWS was only able to provide "the time the user's account had been created and the last time it had connected to the service". Which are big regressions compared to predecessors pgp and otr.
    - omnimus 3y ago
      Your grandma could use Signal. What is use of messaging app that nobody else will/be able to use with you? (like pgp and otr) Yeah its useless. You have to go to users. If you complain that Signal is bad because its on iOS and Andriod… good luck chatting with your two postmarketOS friends.
      - fomine3 3y ago
        Also it works for plausible deniability. We can argue that I installed Signal for just chat to my friends.
      - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
Bright_Machine 3y ago
No awards for Mozilla? EFF should really award Mozilla for keeping up with web standards using their own browser engine instead of just being Chromium copycat.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  Mozilla were the 2008 Pioneer Awards winner, along with CEO Mitchell Baker: <https://web.archive.org/web/20100407220831/https://www.eff.org/awards/pioneer/2008 https://web.archive.org/web/20100407220831/https://www.eff.o...> Full list of past winners: <https://www.eff.org/awards/past-winners https://www.eff.org/awards/past-winners>
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bluefinity 3y ago
I'm not sure Elbakyan receiving this award is particularly appropriate, considering she is strongly pro-Putin and is a big fan of Joseph Stalin (she regularly quotes him on VK).
- rg111 3y ago
  I hate Stalin and severely dislike Putin. I respect Elbakyan a lot and her contributions have benefited hundreds of thousands of people. And we should not practice cancel culture when recognizing contributions of people.
- passwordoops 3y ago
  As I told my kid at supper tonight, words are meaningless, people judge you on your actions. And Elbakyan's actions the past decade are commendable.
  - frozenport 3y ago
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- 0xDEF 3y ago
  A lot of American "Libertarian" techbros are extremely pro-Russia and pro-Putin. It's not surprising that they have given Elbakyan this award. Privacy and espionage is not the only reason we Europeans should detach from Silicon Valley as fast as possible. Using services owned by libertarian VC people like David Sachs is akin to willingly handing data out to Putin.
  - DoItToMe81 3y ago
    Using services that don't hand out data to any known Russian company is handing out data to Russia? What?
- jacquesm 3y ago
  You mean she is a Russian. Being a Russian implies that if you want to stay alive as a highly visible Russian that you are pro-Putin, regardless of how you really feel. If you don't then there is a good chance that you will be declared a foreign agent and end up in jail or dead. The realities of living in present day Russia should not be underestimated. Have a look at Zemfira, another Russian who did speak out against Putin. And Zemfira is a lot more popular than Elbakyan is in Russia. That said I have no evidence one way or another what Elbakyans real position is on any of this but I'd be careful to judge, especially for someone who is in the crosshairs of many powerful and wealthy organizations. As for Stalin: there are no excuses for Stalins wrongs. And yet, you'd be surprised how many Russians to this date revere him. This along the lines of 'he was a bastard, but at least he was our bastard'. He kept Hitler at bay on the Eastern front (at massive cost in lives) and that alone makes him a hero in the eyes of many in Russia. In that sense he has some of the same feelings associated with his person that for instance Churchill in the UK has or Roosevelt and Truman in the United States. From a Western point of view any appreciation for Stalin is likely moderated by what happened during the cold war but from a Russian POV, especially with the massive propaganda machine there you have to contend with a severely distorted image. This is very complex and Russians (also those in exile) are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that this time around they are the bad guys. It's obvious to me and to you but patriotism is a weird force that can cause all kinds of cognitive dissonance to be suppressed and for people to stop seeing clearly. Germans are still struggling with this today (to some extent, but hopefully less every year) and I suspect that Russians will have similar problems for many decades to come. Ukraine will be rebuilt but Russia will be a pariah state without a chance of parole and you can expect people inside Russia to be living in a state of denial and confusion for long after this is over.
azubinski 3y ago
Poor Ted, poor all of us...
stjohnswarts 3y ago
I've supported EFF (with money and praise to acquaintances) for years and somehow never came across these awards, cool
jacquesm 3y ago
Alexandra Elbakyan is a real life hero. She's done more for the democratization of science than just about any person alive at the moment, and at great personal expense.

One of the most important factors in changing laws and confronting oppressive forces is to create strong popular awareness and support for those opposing them. Among other things, this makes them far more risky and formidible as targets of opportunity for oppressors. In this sense I hope very much that the cyberrights movement is maturing to recognise that technical means of fighting such oppression are, whilst necessary, not sufficient. EFF are showing an increased awareness of this (and to be fair, have been aware of this for a long time). The explicit recognition of Alexandra Elbakyan, a personal hero to me, is not only richly deserved by a functionally useful step in fighting copyright overreach and publishing monopolies.

nvy 3y ago
I think history will remember Alexandra Elbakyan as one of the most important figures of this century. She's very low-profile, but the work she's doing is of fundamental importance to humanity. Locking (usually publicly-funded) scientific knowledge behind obscenely-expensive paywalls is repugnant and should be criminal.
lannisterstark 3y ago
>Alexandra Elbakyan, a personal hero to me Let me shatter that illusion. She's very supportive of Putin, Russian regime, and those who in that regime 'stand strong' to the west.

KennyBlanken 3y ago

> Library Freedom Project is radically rethinking the library professional organization by creating a network of values-driven librarian-activists taking action together to build information democracy. LFP offers trainings, resources, and community building for librarians on issues of privacy, surveillance, intellectual freedom, labor rights, power, technology, and more—helping create safer, more private spaces for library patrons to feed their minds and express themselves. Their work is informed by a social justice, feminist, anti-racist approach, and they believe in the combined power of long-term collective organizing and short-term, immediate harm reduction. I'm really struggling to see evidence of any of this on their website. All I see, from an org that started in 2015, is: * A handful of cartoonish, mile-high-overview posters and booklets, most of them formatted for printing, not viewing...none of which have been updated in four years. It's like flipping open your car manual to the section on "driver controls" and seeing: "you should use your vehicle's wipers if it is raining" and nothing more on the matter. * A huge amount of effort put into listing all their many members and their specialties, dwarfing all their other forms of content - but yet, virtually nobody including the founder seems to have the slightest education, work background, published (or otherwise) papers, presentations given at conferences, projects...nothing... in related fields. Correction: Alison has a wikipedia page which explains more, but that's an awfully thin resume for someone heading a digital privacy project these days * Two courses, which ran once, for which there is little to no information, no materials for others to run the courses, etc? * No "immediate harm reduction" resources anywhere in sight; no invitation to contact them for help or to volunteer, except for paid engagements for the executive director * An executive director who hasn't been on social media in two years? This really looks like a typical "professional organization" that is little more than a resume stuffer. For an org with a hundred plus members their work product is basically nill. This is a perfect example of how not to be taken even remotely seriously by anyone, with a cartoonishly exaggerated logo, no citations or references or even the most rudimentary details...not to the mention the accessibility issues from the font: https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/master/LFI4/finalprojects/Ring%20Bookmark-%20Horizontal.pdf https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/ma... Who thought that this was useful, practical advice for your average person? https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Green-Bookmark.pdf https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Green-... How am I supposed to read this? https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/master/LFI2/finalprojects/Library%20Freedom%20Guide%20to%20Harassment-%20111519.pdf https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute/blob/ma... This "vendor scorecard" is useless paper-pushing that doesn't in any way, shape, or form help someone interpret their vendor's privacy policies and data sharing policies, which are written intentionally to obfuscate: https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/LFP-Vendor_Privacy_Audit_022121.pdf https://libraryfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/LFP-Ve...

Gregordinary 3y ago
Alison spoke at LibrePlanet 2016 on the Library Freedom Project and some of its programs and initiatives. https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/library-freedom-project-the-long-overdue-partnership-between-libraries-and-free-software/ https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/library-freedo...

m463 3y ago

title "go"

camdenlock 3y ago

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pard68 3y ago

Earlier this week it was a Wired hit piece telling us Signal is full of alt-right boogymen and naziquadroons. Now they're the champions of digital freedom. I'm gonna have whiplash!

downWidOutaFite 3y ago
different people have different opinions?
smartbit 3y ago
https://www.wired.com/story/signal-politics-software-criticism/ https://www.wired.com/story/signal-politics-software-critici...
- mitchbob 3y ago
  https://archive.ph/zJYsf https://archive.ph/zJYsf
defrost 3y ago
Are you talking about the Wired piece linked by smartbit ? If so this seems like an unfair summary given the piece is very long, the first half sings technical praise, the second half laments the challenges faced, and there's one single small paragraph (that I saw) that mentions some Signal users as possible boogymen: The company’s aggressive pursuit of growth, coupled with lack of moderation in the app, has already led Signal employees themselves to publicly question whether growth might come from abusive users, such as far-right groups using Signal to organize. which seems more of a cautionary note rather than a hit piece.
- omnimus 3y ago
  I dont understand how you want to have secure e2e messaging app AND not have fascist (and pedophiles, druglords) in there. Of course they are there. The whole point of the app is that it cant be moderated because nobody knows the contents. This must be obvious to anyone using Signal and having atleast remote understand of it. I think that must have been written by some random commenter who think it works like facebook (aka police honeypot).

pyuser583 3y ago

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passwordoops 3y ago
-Elbakyan's actions are directly against private gatekeepers of publicly-funded knowledge -Signal is an alternative to the messaging apps that hoover up all your data. Not sure about that 3rd org but I'll be sure to look them up
- GoblinSlayer 3y ago
  Maybe it doesn't sell all your data, but Signal's threat model is surveillance capitalism alone: >The application uses a centralized computing architecture >Registration for desktop use requires an iOS or Android device >Signal uses mobile telephone numbers as an identifier for users. >OWS had received a subpoena requiring them to provide information associated with two phone numbers for a federal grand jury investigation in the first half of 2016. Only one of the two phone numbers was registered on Signal, and because of how the service is designed, OWS was only able to provide "the time the user's account had been created and the last time it had connected to the service". Which are big regressions compared to predecessors pgp and otr.
  - omnimus 3y ago
    Your grandma could use Signal. What is use of messaging app that nobody else will/be able to use with you? (like pgp and otr) Yeah its useless. You have to go to users. If you complain that Signal is bad because its on iOS and Andriod… good luck chatting with your two postmarketOS friends.
    - fomine3 3y ago
      Also it works for plausible deniability. We can argue that I installed Signal for just chat to my friends.
    - GoblinSlayer 3y ago

Bright_Machine 3y ago

No awards for Mozilla? EFF should really award Mozilla for keeping up with web standards using their own browser engine instead of just being Chromium copycat.

dredmorbius 3y ago
Mozilla were the 2008 Pioneer Awards winner, along with CEO Mitchell Baker: <https://web.archive.org/web/20100407220831/https://www.eff.org/awards/pioneer/2008 https://web.archive.org/web/20100407220831/https://www.eff.o...> Full list of past winners: <https://www.eff.org/awards/past-winners https://www.eff.org/awards/past-winners>
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bluefinity 3y ago

I'm not sure Elbakyan receiving this award is particularly appropriate, considering she is strongly pro-Putin and is a big fan of Joseph Stalin (she regularly quotes him on VK).

rg111 3y ago
I hate Stalin and severely dislike Putin. I respect Elbakyan a lot and her contributions have benefited hundreds of thousands of people. And we should not practice cancel culture when recognizing contributions of people.
passwordoops 3y ago
As I told my kid at supper tonight, words are meaningless, people judge you on your actions. And Elbakyan's actions the past decade are commendable.
- frozenport 3y ago
  [flagged]
0xDEF 3y ago
A lot of American "Libertarian" techbros are extremely pro-Russia and pro-Putin. It's not surprising that they have given Elbakyan this award. Privacy and espionage is not the only reason we Europeans should detach from Silicon Valley as fast as possible. Using services owned by libertarian VC people like David Sachs is akin to willingly handing data out to Putin.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  Using services that don't hand out data to any known Russian company is handing out data to Russia? What?
jacquesm 3y ago
You mean she is a Russian. Being a Russian implies that if you want to stay alive as a highly visible Russian that you are pro-Putin, regardless of how you really feel. If you don't then there is a good chance that you will be declared a foreign agent and end up in jail or dead. The realities of living in present day Russia should not be underestimated. Have a look at Zemfira, another Russian who did speak out against Putin. And Zemfira is a lot more popular than Elbakyan is in Russia. That said I have no evidence one way or another what Elbakyans real position is on any of this but I'd be careful to judge, especially for someone who is in the crosshairs of many powerful and wealthy organizations. As for Stalin: there are no excuses for Stalins wrongs. And yet, you'd be surprised how many Russians to this date revere him. This along the lines of 'he was a bastard, but at least he was our bastard'. He kept Hitler at bay on the Eastern front (at massive cost in lives) and that alone makes him a hero in the eyes of many in Russia. In that sense he has some of the same feelings associated with his person that for instance Churchill in the UK has or Roosevelt and Truman in the United States. From a Western point of view any appreciation for Stalin is likely moderated by what happened during the cold war but from a Russian POV, especially with the massive propaganda machine there you have to contend with a severely distorted image. This is very complex and Russians (also those in exile) are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that this time around they are the bad guys. It's obvious to me and to you but patriotism is a weird force that can cause all kinds of cognitive dissonance to be suppressed and for people to stop seeing clearly. Germans are still struggling with this today (to some extent, but hopefully less every year) and I suspect that Russians will have similar problems for many decades to come. Ukraine will be rebuilt but Russia will be a pariah state without a chance of parole and you can expect people inside Russia to be living in a state of denial and confusion for long after this is over.

azubinski 3y ago

Poor Ted, poor all of us...

stjohnswarts 3y ago

I've supported EFF (with money and praise to acquaintances) for years and somehow never came across these awards, cool

jacquesm 3y ago

Alexandra Elbakyan is a real life hero. She's done more for the democratization of science than just about any person alive at the moment, and at great personal expense.