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Comments summary: lots of people who don’t understand how large search indexes work freaking out or pontificating about their pet favorite alternative. Occasion

Comments summary: lots of people who don’t understand how large search indexes work freaking out or pontificating about their pet favorite alternative. Occasionally both. Meanwhile the DDG founder calmly stating it’s being looked into, is definitely a bug, and explains that this should not generally happen… and being ignored.

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bufferoverflow 3y ago
Then how do you explain what we see? Tech Dirt disappears from both Bing and DDG indexes at the same time. Google, meanwhile, has 136 thousand pages indexed on techdirt.com domain
- Choco31415 3y ago
  Like photonerd mentioned, yegg (The Founder of DDG) is answering that and similar questions in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898661
  - bufferoverflow 3y ago
    I don't see any answers on why tens of thousands of techdirt.com pages aren't in the DDG index. It's not some random unknown blog with zero traffic.
    - photonerd 3y ago
      Check his other comments in the replies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898807 Meanwhile, thanks for illustrating my comment extraordinarily effectively, I guess?
      - ipaddr 3y ago
        Your point is lost. He claims when sites get dropped from bing they are automatically dropped from ddg and require manual efforts to get them up. There is no process either. You need to connect with someone on the inside. No form, phone number or any reasonable way of contacting them. If you don't share a daycare timeslot with him or can get your submission upvoted here good luck
        Choco31415 3y ago
        Actually it’s a fairly easy process to contact DDG. There’s the “Share Feedback” button on every search page. It may be a little less visible, but there’s also a contact email listed on the Press page.
        photonerd 3y ago
        That’s a lot of conjecture vs the reality. Plus you’re absolutely mischaracterizing what he said. You’re arguing in bad faith, apparently because you came to a conclusion first & are scrambling to justify it.
      - bufferoverflow 3y ago
        Again you link to some generic comment that doesn't address my point in any way. Why are you shilling and telling me to look at the comments instead of linking directly to the comment that would address my point?
        photonerd 3y ago
        That you don’t understand how it applies, and that your comment is mostly nonsensical, is not MY failure
        Choco31415 3y ago
        To form a bit of common ground, yegg hasn’t talked much about the specifics of the TechDirt case. I think bufferoverflow is wanting those details. Just because delistings can happen because of Bing doesn’t mean that’s what happened here.
ipaddr 3y ago
People understand how this works. Removal from bing means removal from duckduckgo. Founder says they get info from many sources. Talks about local and factual information, flights, images, videos, etc as important categories while calling normal websites part of legacy web. Fails to mention they get this content from only bing. Tries to explain people are searching for less legacy while people believe they mostly use a search engine for legacy web. I can't see a bug explanation being anywhere near the truth when every site delisted from bing is automatically delisted in duckduckgo and requires from some action to save it. How do you explain the other sites?
- photonerd 3y ago
  I explain it by directing you to take a basic course of data replication—-please for the love of god—-so you can educate yourself on this topic rather than come up with uninformed hot takes that veer into conspiracy territory. Because god know a you’re not the only one that’s managed to turn “I don’t know why” into “I’m sure this is what is happening”…

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bufferoverflow 3y ago

Then how do you explain what we see? Tech Dirt disappears from both Bing and DDG indexes at the same time. Google, meanwhile, has 136 thousand pages indexed on techdirt.com domain

Choco31415 3y ago
Like photonerd mentioned, yegg (The Founder of DDG) is answering that and similar questions in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898661
- bufferoverflow 3y ago
  I don't see any answers on why tens of thousands of techdirt.com pages aren't in the DDG index. It's not some random unknown blog with zero traffic.
  - photonerd 3y ago
    Check his other comments in the replies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36898807 Meanwhile, thanks for illustrating my comment extraordinarily effectively, I guess?
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      Your point is lost. He claims when sites get dropped from bing they are automatically dropped from ddg and require manual efforts to get them up. There is no process either. You need to connect with someone on the inside. No form, phone number or any reasonable way of contacting them. If you don't share a daycare timeslot with him or can get your submission upvoted here good luck
      - Choco31415 3y ago
        Actually it’s a fairly easy process to contact DDG. There’s the “Share Feedback” button on every search page. It may be a little less visible, but there’s also a contact email listed on the Press page.
      - photonerd 3y ago
        That’s a lot of conjecture vs the reality. Plus you’re absolutely mischaracterizing what he said. You’re arguing in bad faith, apparently because you came to a conclusion first & are scrambling to justify it.
    - bufferoverflow 3y ago
      Again you link to some generic comment that doesn't address my point in any way. Why are you shilling and telling me to look at the comments instead of linking directly to the comment that would address my point?
      - photonerd 3y ago
        That you don’t understand how it applies, and that your comment is mostly nonsensical, is not MY failure
        Choco31415 3y ago
        To form a bit of common ground, yegg hasn’t talked much about the specifics of the TechDirt case. I think bufferoverflow is wanting those details. Just because delistings can happen because of Bing doesn’t mean that’s what happened here.

ipaddr 3y ago

People understand how this works. Removal from bing means removal from duckduckgo. Founder says they get info from many sources. Talks about local and factual information, flights, images, videos, etc as important categories while calling normal websites part of legacy web. Fails to mention they get this content from only bing. Tries to explain people are searching for less legacy while people believe they mostly use a search engine for legacy web. I can't see a bug explanation being anywhere near the truth when every site delisted from bing is automatically delisted in duckduckgo and requires from some action to save it. How do you explain the other sites?

photonerd 3y ago
I explain it by directing you to take a basic course of data replication—-please for the love of god—-so you can educate yourself on this topic rather than come up with uninformed hot takes that veer into conspiracy territory. Because god know a you’re not the only one that’s managed to turn “I don’t know why” into “I’m sure this is what is happening”…