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Any particular examples you can remember that I can look into personally (and bring back to the team to look at as well)?

by yegg 3y ago

pdimitar 3y ago
I apologize for not keeping them. Sorry. :( The thing with search engines is: you try one, scan results for 30 seconds, don't find a useful result, curse under your breath and hastily try another search engine. It's a normal programmer flow, which sadly almost completely eliminates the possibility to provide actionable feedback to the search engine's maintainers. I gather you're from the DDG team? If so, I'd say that the writing is on the wall that Bing is no longer a good backend for DDG. You guys should start branching out because from where I'm standing, many programmers are 10-15 annoyances away from switching. Again, my apologies for not providing examples.
- Baeocystin 3y ago
  The person you're replying to is the CEO and founder of DDG. Just FYI.
  - pdimitar 3y ago
    Good to know, thanks. Had no clue.
worik 3y ago
I have been using DDG as my main search for years and years. But I have found the LLM powered Bing, using Skype (!!) as the user interface really compelling I have played around myself with getting LLMs to summerise and evaluate text for me, and it seemed that an automated way would be very cool. Then Microsoft implemented it. Wow. It is very very good So DDG is still good. Very good. And privacy, a very strong selling point But wading through click bait websites looking for a website that is not just straining for eyeballs: Bing's LLM based machine is a dogsend! I would pay for a service like that from DDG. I already pay real money for an OpenAI API key. Sell me yours. I would much rather pay my money to you
arp242 3y ago
Is there anywhere people can report clearly bad results? I don't have any on hand right now either, but I do know I somewhat regularly encounter DDG results that are just "wtf?!"-level, whereas Google does return good results for the same. I'd be more than happy to report these things when I encounter them if that's helpful.
- Choco31415 3y ago
  There’s a “Share Feedback” button at the bottom of the search page. Yegg said it’s read by humans too.
  - arp242 3y ago
    Cheers; somehow I had never noticed that >_<
reaperducer 3y ago
I'm not the OP, but here's a quick list of search items that did not turn up useful results recently off the top of my head: number of Americans without a credit card panic nova git automation microvision (the video game console) time in chicago (seems to be fixed now) mozilla open directory (seems to be fixed now) Now that you've solicited this feedback, I'll make a point of saving futile searches for the next time you pop up on HN.

Any particular examples you can remember that I can look into personally (and bring back to the team to look at as well)?

by yegg 3y ago

Any particular examples you can remember that I can look into personally (and bring back to the team to look at as well)?

pdimitar 3y ago

I apologize for not keeping them. Sorry. :( The thing with search engines is: you try one, scan results for 30 seconds, don't find a useful result, curse under your breath and hastily try another search engine. It's a normal programmer flow, which sadly almost completely eliminates the possibility to provide actionable feedback to the search engine's maintainers. I gather you're from the DDG team? If so, I'd say that the writing is on the wall that Bing is no longer a good backend for DDG. You guys should start branching out because from where I'm standing, many programmers are 10-15 annoyances away from switching. Again, my apologies for not providing examples.

Baeocystin 3y ago
The person you're replying to is the CEO and founder of DDG. Just FYI.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Good to know, thanks. Had no clue.

worik 3y ago

I have been using DDG as my main search for years and years. But I have found the LLM powered Bing, using Skype (!!) as the user interface really compelling I have played around myself with getting LLMs to summerise and evaluate text for me, and it seemed that an automated way would be very cool. Then Microsoft implemented it. Wow. It is very very good So DDG is still good. Very good. And privacy, a very strong selling point But wading through click bait websites looking for a website that is not just straining for eyeballs: Bing's LLM based machine is a dogsend! I would pay for a service like that from DDG. I already pay real money for an OpenAI API key. Sell me yours. I would much rather pay my money to you

arp242 3y ago

Is there anywhere people can report clearly bad results? I don't have any on hand right now either, but I do know I somewhat regularly encounter DDG results that are just "wtf?!"-level, whereas Google does return good results for the same. I'd be more than happy to report these things when I encounter them if that's helpful.

Choco31415 3y ago
There’s a “Share Feedback” button at the bottom of the search page. Yegg said it’s read by humans too.
- arp242 3y ago
  Cheers; somehow I had never noticed that >_<

reaperducer 3y ago

I'm not the OP, but here's a quick list of search items that did not turn up useful results recently off the top of my head: number of Americans without a credit card panic nova git automation microvision (the video game console) time in chicago (seems to be fixed now) mozilla open directory (seems to be fixed now) Now that you've solicited this feedback, I'll make a point of saving futile searches for the next time you pop up on HN.