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He's providing a platform and cover for a child pornographer, live, in realtime, in public. There is something profoundly wrong in your worldview that's going t

He's providing a platform and cover for a child pornographer, live, in realtime, in public. There is something profoundly wrong in your worldview that's going to snap in one direction or another, and it's probably time for some self reflection.

jytechdevops 3y ago
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- jpwerty 3y ago
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  - dang 3y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. In fact, it looks like it has done that in every post! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I spoke too soon - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36627224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36627224 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36168830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36168830 were fine. If you'd like to be unbanned and stick to posting good comments like those, let us know at hn@ycombinator.com.
- dang 3y ago
  Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jytechdevops 3y ago
    appreciate the link, will take some time to read through it :)
deanCommie 3y ago
It's cargo cult intellectualism. Too often people believe that if they write and think in a detached and dispassionate way that their approach is intrinsically superior. Terms like "partisan pitfalls" and "irrational extremism" stake a claim that these things this person disagrees with are inherently bad. As you say, we don't need a nuanced take on the "difficulty" of tolerance for intolerance. This is a solved problem, and well understood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Musk may be brilliant in engineering (Many claim he doesn't, but I'm willing to give him at least some credit for the clearly revolutionary technical advancements both Tesla and SpaceX have achieved. I think the idea that both companies only thrive in spite of him is patently ludicrous.), but he has a teenager-level emotional maturity when it comes to social and societal issues. And it shows when it comes to his explicit tolerance and encouragement of discrimination on Twitter. Esther, meanwhile, is an admitted escapee of a genuine cult, that somehow missed all the signals, and dove into the same patterns headfirst when it came to Twitter post-Musk. I'm not going to psychologically diagnose someone from afar, but I suspect she needs help of the type neither Musk nor Twitter nor Hackernews can provide.
- bhauer 3y ago
  > I'm not going to psychologically diagnose someone from afar, but I suspect she needs help of the type neither Musk nor Twitter nor Hackernews can provide. I'm not a fan of this flavor of discourse, and frankly find it offensive. But I will tolerate it.
  - deanCommie 3y ago
    I appreciate your callout, and recognize my callousness. However, I think I can clarify it somewhat. This is a person who formed an early part of her internet identity as an "escaper from a cult". She wrote articles about her time in a cult, and how she didn't realize she was in it until she got out. Then Musk bought twitter, fired thousands, and she excitedly posted pictures of herself sleeping in the office, and for a few weeks was Musk's primary mouthpiece on Twitter about upcoming changes, posting product updates first. Then he fired her too. Some people have addictive personalities and is why they have to learn to go cold turkey from any type of addictive stimulant. Some find it so difficult to escape that they simply must replace one habit for another (a lot of recovered heroin addicts end up smokers). Likewise, there are certain mental and personality attributes that make some people more susceptible to cults. Proper cults, or even more societally acceptable ones like religion or multi-level marketing. The author has a demonstrated track record of this, and as such is difficult to see as an impartial observer of her time at Twitter because it is necessarily coloured by this lens.
ethanbond 3y ago
What's this in reference to? (Blissfully have parted ways with Twitter so I'm not read in on the 24/7 Twitter meta-show)
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  A QAnon influencer posted CSAM and got banned. Musk personally intervened to reinstate it. https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1684300589268709377 https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1684300589268709377 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1684248597603155976 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1684248597603155976
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    Wow, he really can go lower and lower eh? No wonder he needed to start Boring Co.
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jytechdevops 3y ago

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jpwerty 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. In fact, it looks like it has done that in every post! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I spoke too soon - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36627224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36627224 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36168830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36168830 were fine. If you'd like to be unbanned and stick to posting good comments like those, let us know at hn@ycombinator.com.
dang 3y ago
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jytechdevops 3y ago
  appreciate the link, will take some time to read through it :)

deanCommie 3y ago

It's cargo cult intellectualism. Too often people believe that if they write and think in a detached and dispassionate way that their approach is intrinsically superior. Terms like "partisan pitfalls" and "irrational extremism" stake a claim that these things this person disagrees with are inherently bad. As you say, we don't need a nuanced take on the "difficulty" of tolerance for intolerance. This is a solved problem, and well understood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Musk may be brilliant in engineering (Many claim he doesn't, but I'm willing to give him at least some credit for the clearly revolutionary technical advancements both Tesla and SpaceX have achieved. I think the idea that both companies only thrive in spite of him is patently ludicrous.), but he has a teenager-level emotional maturity when it comes to social and societal issues. And it shows when it comes to his explicit tolerance and encouragement of discrimination on Twitter. Esther, meanwhile, is an admitted escapee of a genuine cult, that somehow missed all the signals, and dove into the same patterns headfirst when it came to Twitter post-Musk. I'm not going to psychologically diagnose someone from afar, but I suspect she needs help of the type neither Musk nor Twitter nor Hackernews can provide.

bhauer 3y ago
> I'm not going to psychologically diagnose someone from afar, but I suspect she needs help of the type neither Musk nor Twitter nor Hackernews can provide. I'm not a fan of this flavor of discourse, and frankly find it offensive. But I will tolerate it.
- deanCommie 3y ago
  I appreciate your callout, and recognize my callousness. However, I think I can clarify it somewhat. This is a person who formed an early part of her internet identity as an "escaper from a cult". She wrote articles about her time in a cult, and how she didn't realize she was in it until she got out. Then Musk bought twitter, fired thousands, and she excitedly posted pictures of herself sleeping in the office, and for a few weeks was Musk's primary mouthpiece on Twitter about upcoming changes, posting product updates first. Then he fired her too. Some people have addictive personalities and is why they have to learn to go cold turkey from any type of addictive stimulant. Some find it so difficult to escape that they simply must replace one habit for another (a lot of recovered heroin addicts end up smokers). Likewise, there are certain mental and personality attributes that make some people more susceptible to cults. Proper cults, or even more societally acceptable ones like religion or multi-level marketing. The author has a demonstrated track record of this, and as such is difficult to see as an impartial observer of her time at Twitter because it is necessarily coloured by this lens.

ethanbond 3y ago

What's this in reference to? (Blissfully have parted ways with Twitter so I'm not read in on the 24/7 Twitter meta-show)

ceejayoz 3y ago
A QAnon influencer posted CSAM and got banned. Musk personally intervened to reinstate it. https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1684300589268709377 https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1684300589268709377 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1684248597603155976 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1684248597603155976
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Wow, he really can go lower and lower eh? No wonder he needed to start Boring Co.

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