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> I don't understand a lot of the hate for Brave. If you don't like the crypto integration, the ads, etc you can just disable them. I feel the original intent,

> I don't understand a lot of the hate for Brave. If you don't like the crypto integration, the ads, etc you can just disable them. I feel the original intent, to be able to contribute directly back to page authors, was a noble one. It may not have played out as intended, but it wasn't a scam. The presence of ads and/or crypto is a strong signal that you're working with an untrustworthy entity, whose objectives will not be aligned with your own. Maybe Brave the browser isn't outright a "scam," but the willingness of the company to dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto makes the brand toxic, and anything by the company is immediately suspect. The same is true for Signal, for what it's worth, as it still supports Moxie's pet shitcoin. It's easy enough to opt out of Brave because Firefox exists, but there's still sadly no better alternative to Signal.

entrepy123 3y ago
> ...there's still sadly no better alternative to Signal. Isn't the Matrix protocol the better alternative to Signal?
- JeremyNT 3y ago
  Unlike browsers, which can (for now) still be swapped out solely on individual preference, the network effects are real for messaging platforms. This means that currently Signal is more broadly useful than Matrix clients. Hopefully this can change some day, and Matrix (or something like it) will become ubiquitous. But it was a slog for Signal to gain even its small market share, despite its better usability and lower barriers to entry. For lack of a better alternative, we "standardized" on Signal as the de-facto secure messaging system that is outside of the control of ad companies, and it will take time to rectify that.
  - Arathorn 3y ago
    on the Matrix side we are slogging away at https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e... to provide good (excellent?) UX as well as interoperability via Matrix.
scrum-treats 3y ago
> The presence of ads and/or crypto is a strong signal that you're working with an untrustworthy entity, whose objectives will not be aligned with your own. Decentralized wealth is crypto. Sure, there are scams, but the point is to pay people for viewing ads (wealth re-distribution in a decentralized fashion). No one else is paying you to view ads; they are just taking your engagement data, your face and eye gaze data, your mouse trajectory data, etc. Brave is the first to try to pay you a portion of its ads revenue in a way that you the end user can flip into whatever currency you want, including USD. I've never been cut a check from Google, Amazon, Facebook, or the like. But I've received BAT, which I can flip into ETH/BTC, and earn more money. > Maybe Brave the browser isn't outright a "scam," but the willingness of the company to dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto makes the brand toxic, and anything by the company is immediately suspect. Do you use any resource owned/operated by Google? Amazon? JPMorgan Chase? Facebook? Bank of America? Wells Fargo? (to name a few) All of these companies "dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto." Do more research.
Karunamon 3y ago
>the willingness of the company to dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto This is a ridiculous take. Every technology you use that facilitates payments or communication is, objectively speaking, "scam-enabling".

entrepy123 3y ago

> ...there's still sadly no better alternative to Signal. Isn't the Matrix protocol the better alternative to Signal?

JeremyNT 3y ago
Unlike browsers, which can (for now) still be swapped out solely on individual preference, the network effects are real for messaging platforms. This means that currently Signal is more broadly useful than Matrix clients. Hopefully this can change some day, and Matrix (or something like it) will become ubiquitous. But it was a slog for Signal to gain even its small market share, despite its better usability and lower barriers to entry. For lack of a better alternative, we "standardized" on Signal as the de-facto secure messaging system that is outside of the control of ad companies, and it will take time to rectify that.
- Arathorn 3y ago
  on the Matrix side we are slogging away at https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e... to provide good (excellent?) UX as well as interoperability via Matrix.

scrum-treats 3y ago

> The presence of ads and/or crypto is a strong signal that you're working with an untrustworthy entity, whose objectives will not be aligned with your own. Decentralized wealth is crypto. Sure, there are scams, but the point is to pay people for viewing ads (wealth re-distribution in a decentralized fashion). No one else is paying you to view ads; they are just taking your engagement data, your face and eye gaze data, your mouse trajectory data, etc. Brave is the first to try to pay you a portion of its ads revenue in a way that you the end user can flip into whatever currency you want, including USD. I've never been cut a check from Google, Amazon, Facebook, or the like. But I've received BAT, which I can flip into ETH/BTC, and earn more money. > Maybe Brave the browser isn't outright a "scam," but the willingness of the company to dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto makes the brand toxic, and anything by the company is immediately suspect. Do you use any resource owned/operated by Google? Amazon? JPMorgan Chase? Facebook? Bank of America? Wells Fargo? (to name a few) All of these companies "dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto." Do more research.

Karunamon 3y ago

>the willingness of the company to dip into scam-enabling technologies like crypto This is a ridiculous take. Every technology you use that facilitates payments or communication is, objectively speaking, "scam-enabling".