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It's not erring on the side of the absolute best state. The EPA-rated miles represent a standardized mix of highway and city miles. The best state would be ove

It's not erring on the side of the absolute best state. The EPA-rated miles represent a standardized mix of highway and city miles. The best state would be over 600 miles [1]. It's erring on the side of consistency, as it's also representing the battery's state of charge. It would only serve to confuse users to try and guess whether the current trip is a highway or city drive, will end in the next minute or two hours from now, which way the wind will be blowing and whether or not you're driving uphill, etc. It'd just be a useless guess, instead of an at least consistent one. If you tell it where you're going, it already gives you a great estimate, as it doe stake into account all of those factors. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17405906/tesla-model-3-hypermilling-driving-record https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17405906/tesla-model-3-hy...

steveBK123 3y ago
Look, I get it, some people love these cars and will stand no criticism, fine. I had one, they are lovely. We are allowed to want things we like to be better. But all the "just use nav estimate" arguments miss that some people drive more than one place? If I am driving out an hour to do some shopping, visit my parents, and then drive back.. it may be a total of 90mi but the first leg is 30mi. Do I need to pre-enter my round trip as multiple waypoints to get an accurate view of whether I will make it home or not? Seems silly. Just guesstimate a more accurate dashboard view range like you do in other place sin the UI.
- moduspol 3y ago
  I get it, too. I've seen some people that resort to ad hominems online. We are allowed to evaluate suggestions critically. The other places in the UI are either based on either the destination you've entered or the last 5, 15, or X miles driven. They only make sense in that context: Just using one of those numbers on the dashboard would be misleading and inconsistent. Guessing based on the Wh/m of your last ten drives might be a closer estimate, but would be wrong if your next drive isn't like your last ten. It might even be more accurate when guessing your last nine drives, so then you learn to trust it, but those were city miles, and for the next drive, it's highway miles. And now the estimate is way off. It's just meaningless. We'd quickly learn that the number given is a bad estimate that can't be trusted and needs to be adjusted based on the way you'll actually be driving and other real world conditions... and that's where we already are. The only difference is that currently it's at least consistent, both between trips in the same car and from one car to another. This additional guesstimate would just add more confusion.
IggleSniggle 3y ago
Look I don't really care about Teslas so I don't really have any idea, but the article says that Tesla does NOT use the standardized EPA-mix, but instead does their own testing and gets those tests EPA approved. The EPA spokesperson said they were following the rules, but only technically. Do you have alternate information showing that it actually is the standardized mix to produce the estimate?
- steveBK123 3y ago
  The data alone should tell you that Tesla is up to something. Almost every real world range test shows that Tesla systematically underperforms in the real world relative to spec, worse than substantially all other carmakers. Highway 70mph - https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ Highway 75mph - https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-range-explained/ https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-ra... Mix - https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... It's a shame too because Tesla are towards the top of the the real world range pack, so they don't really have to lie.. but it's like a compulsion for some people. What is mind boggling and hilarious is that there's a Porsche rated EPA 225mi and a Tesla rated EPA 348mi and they both end up achieving 280mi. Notably the Model 3/Y seem to have a wider EPA-to-reality delta than the Model S in the 75mph test. This seems to align with my 4 year ownership experience. Tesla Model 3 LR rated 310mi but only hits 200mi with C&D. It's interesting how much the 3/Y range seems to drop from 70 to 75mph.

steveBK123 3y ago

Look, I get it, some people love these cars and will stand no criticism, fine. I had one, they are lovely. We are allowed to want things we like to be better. But all the "just use nav estimate" arguments miss that some people drive more than one place? If I am driving out an hour to do some shopping, visit my parents, and then drive back.. it may be a total of 90mi but the first leg is 30mi. Do I need to pre-enter my round trip as multiple waypoints to get an accurate view of whether I will make it home or not? Seems silly. Just guesstimate a more accurate dashboard view range like you do in other place sin the UI.

moduspol 3y ago
I get it, too. I've seen some people that resort to ad hominems online. We are allowed to evaluate suggestions critically. The other places in the UI are either based on either the destination you've entered or the last 5, 15, or X miles driven. They only make sense in that context: Just using one of those numbers on the dashboard would be misleading and inconsistent. Guessing based on the Wh/m of your last ten drives might be a closer estimate, but would be wrong if your next drive isn't like your last ten. It might even be more accurate when guessing your last nine drives, so then you learn to trust it, but those were city miles, and for the next drive, it's highway miles. And now the estimate is way off. It's just meaningless. We'd quickly learn that the number given is a bad estimate that can't be trusted and needs to be adjusted based on the way you'll actually be driving and other real world conditions... and that's where we already are. The only difference is that currently it's at least consistent, both between trips in the same car and from one car to another. This additional guesstimate would just add more confusion.

IggleSniggle 3y ago

Look I don't really care about Teslas so I don't really have any idea, but the article says that Tesla does NOT use the standardized EPA-mix, but instead does their own testing and gets those tests EPA approved. The EPA spokesperson said they were following the rules, but only technically. Do you have alternate information showing that it actually is the standardized mix to produce the estimate?

steveBK123 3y ago
The data alone should tell you that Tesla is up to something. Almost every real world range test shows that Tesla systematically underperforms in the real world relative to spec, worse than substantially all other carmakers. Highway 70mph - https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ Highway 75mph - https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-range-explained/ https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-ra... Mix - https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... It's a shame too because Tesla are towards the top of the the real world range pack, so they don't really have to lie.. but it's like a compulsion for some people. What is mind boggling and hilarious is that there's a Porsche rated EPA 225mi and a Tesla rated EPA 348mi and they both end up achieving 280mi. Notably the Model 3/Y seem to have a wider EPA-to-reality delta than the Model S in the 75mph test. This seems to align with my 4 year ownership experience. Tesla Model 3 LR rated 310mi but only hits 200mi with C&D. It's interesting how much the 3/Y range seems to drop from 70 to 75mph.