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What if it’s all a hoax, and we create a better world for nothing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Pett#/media/File%3AWhat_if_it's_a_big_hoax_and_we_creat

What if it’s all a hoax, and we create a better world for nothing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Pett#/media/File%3AWhat_if_it's_a_big_hoax_and_we_create_a_better_world_for_nothing%3F.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Pett#/media/File%3AWhat...

HideousKojima 3y ago
Or what if we destroy the world economy and personal freedom/autonomy in the process?
- sebmellen 3y ago
  If you think protecting the climate will destroy the economy and personal freedom, you’re mistaken. The biggest threat to a thriving world economy with high degrees of personal freedom is climate change.
  - listenallyall 3y ago
    > The biggest threat to a thriving world economy with high degrees of personal freedom I would suggest it is lack of low-cost, easily-accessible energy. Energy has been the driving force behind virtually every technological and economic advance in the past century.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      Agree. But extinction of pollinators or key species, extreme temperatures causing mass crop failures, extreme droughts, several meter sea rise or a cascade of tipping points could certainly make some serious damage too.
    - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
      Solar PV became the "cheapest source of energy in history" levels 3 years ago in places with low cost of capital, prices have continued to fall and are forecast to keep dropping as we get more experience. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricit...
zosima 3y ago
You got to explain to me how wrecking our electricity grid and living with threat of exploding electricity prices (so much so, that there has been many reports of poor people not being able to afford heating in the winter) is making the world a better place.
- sebmellen 3y ago
  The Texas grid that broke down was all natural gas [0]. Coal kills millions a year, not even through warming, but through pollution [1]. There is no equivalence. [0]: https://www.eenews.net/articles/investigation-texas-failed-to-crack-down-on-gas-after-grid-crisis/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/investigation-texas-failed-t... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-fuels-pollution-deaths-research https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-f...
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  Wrecking the electricity grid? No, saving the electricity grid. Record high demand, normal summer prices. https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/thanks-to-wind-and-solar-texas-has-kept-the-power-on-and-the-costs-down/ https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/thanks-to-wind-and-solar-texa...

HideousKojima 3y ago

Or what if we destroy the world economy and personal freedom/autonomy in the process?

sebmellen 3y ago
If you think protecting the climate will destroy the economy and personal freedom, you’re mistaken. The biggest threat to a thriving world economy with high degrees of personal freedom is climate change.
- listenallyall 3y ago
  > The biggest threat to a thriving world economy with high degrees of personal freedom I would suggest it is lack of low-cost, easily-accessible energy. Energy has been the driving force behind virtually every technological and economic advance in the past century.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    Agree. But extinction of pollinators or key species, extreme temperatures causing mass crop failures, extreme droughts, several meter sea rise or a cascade of tipping points could certainly make some serious damage too.
  - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
    Solar PV became the "cheapest source of energy in history" levels 3 years ago in places with low cost of capital, prices have continued to fall and are forecast to keep dropping as we get more experience. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricit...

zosima 3y ago

You got to explain to me how wrecking our electricity grid and living with threat of exploding electricity prices (so much so, that there has been many reports of poor people not being able to afford heating in the winter) is making the world a better place.

sebmellen 3y ago
The Texas grid that broke down was all natural gas [0]. Coal kills millions a year, not even through warming, but through pollution [1]. There is no equivalence. [0]: https://www.eenews.net/articles/investigation-texas-failed-to-crack-down-on-gas-after-grid-crisis/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/investigation-texas-failed-t... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-fuels-pollution-deaths-research https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-f...
bryanlarsen 3y ago
Wrecking the electricity grid? No, saving the electricity grid. Record high demand, normal summer prices. https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/thanks-to-wind-and-solar-texas-has-kept-the-power-on-and-the-costs-down/ https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/thanks-to-wind-and-solar-texa...