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I don’t think it needs to be some Michael Bay crash to be significant. Let’s say that all these crashes are minor, as you state. If repairs ranged from $500 to

I don’t think it needs to be some Michael Bay crash to be significant. Let’s say that all these crashes are minor, as you state. If repairs ranged from $500 to $1,500 evenly, that is about $188 million in property damage a year. That’s not nothing. I agree that systems need to be better designed with infosec in mind.

forgetfreeman 3y ago
It's not nothing, it's the consequences of people's general disinterest in operating a motor vehicle effectively. I think it -should- be expensive to be a bad driver. Good decision making is learned through poor decision making.
- 542354234235 3y ago
  > I think it -should- be expensive to be a bad driver. Good decision making is learned through poor decision making. You want less safety in order to teach some sort of moral lesson to people? Thank god we don't design planes that way, I guess.
- forgetfreeman 3y ago
  Removing incentives to actually pay attention to where your two ton death machine is in space isn't how one introduces safety. What you're proposing is a crutch that rewards inattentive behavior. There's no moral to it.
  - 542354234235 3y ago
    A camera and sensors that give you more information about "where your two ton death machine is in space" and are literally proven to improve safety and reduce accidents means you pay attention less? So cars would be even better if we removed the side and rear view mirrors, since those are nothing but "a crutch that rewards inattentive behavior"? I mean, people have necks so shouldn't they just turn around and look instead of being lazy and relying on mirrors? I'm sorry, but I cannot take your position seriously.
    - forgetfreeman 3y ago
      Here's the thing: watching a monitor doesn't actually update one's spacial model of their surroundings and their vehicle's position therein. Under normal operating conditions an attentive driver has and is constantly updating a fairly accurate mental model of their vehicle and the objects near it that they are likely to interact with. When your attention is drawn to a rear camera system you've now ditched that spacial model entirely and have changed to modeling the video game on the screen in front of you. This context switch is -very- expensive to unwind and at least momentarily costs you your awareness of where everything else except the back bumper is in space, and what's in front or to either side of the vehicle. As far as mirrors go, they aren't to be relied on solely as they do not provide a full picture of the vehicle's surrounds. Checking one's blind spots by turning your head and actually -looking- in your blind spot before merging is a thing. same goes with the rearview. Hope that clears up your confusion.

forgetfreeman 3y ago

It's not nothing, it's the consequences of people's general disinterest in operating a motor vehicle effectively. I think it -should- be expensive to be a bad driver. Good decision making is learned through poor decision making.

542354234235 3y ago
> I think it -should- be expensive to be a bad driver. Good decision making is learned through poor decision making. You want less safety in order to teach some sort of moral lesson to people? Thank god we don't design planes that way, I guess.
forgetfreeman 3y ago
Removing incentives to actually pay attention to where your two ton death machine is in space isn't how one introduces safety. What you're proposing is a crutch that rewards inattentive behavior. There's no moral to it.
- 542354234235 3y ago
  A camera and sensors that give you more information about "where your two ton death machine is in space" and are literally proven to improve safety and reduce accidents means you pay attention less? So cars would be even better if we removed the side and rear view mirrors, since those are nothing but "a crutch that rewards inattentive behavior"? I mean, people have necks so shouldn't they just turn around and look instead of being lazy and relying on mirrors? I'm sorry, but I cannot take your position seriously.
  - forgetfreeman 3y ago
    Here's the thing: watching a monitor doesn't actually update one's spacial model of their surroundings and their vehicle's position therein. Under normal operating conditions an attentive driver has and is constantly updating a fairly accurate mental model of their vehicle and the objects near it that they are likely to interact with. When your attention is drawn to a rear camera system you've now ditched that spacial model entirely and have changed to modeling the video game on the screen in front of you. This context switch is -very- expensive to unwind and at least momentarily costs you your awareness of where everything else except the back bumper is in space, and what's in front or to either side of the vehicle. As far as mirrors go, they aren't to be relied on solely as they do not provide a full picture of the vehicle's surrounds. Checking one's blind spots by turning your head and actually -looking- in your blind spot before merging is a thing. same goes with the rearview. Hope that clears up your confusion.