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Gosh yeah, I guess there's no room for consideration of magnitude.

by thefurdrake 3y ago

chungy 3y ago
You're probably at a lower risk of being murdered with a bad cop than with your own family members.
- thefurdrake 3y ago
  Yes, but people in general don't weight their families as much of a danger as strangers. Interacting with cops has become scary for people.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  In a fascinating irony, more than 40% of cops admit to instigating domestic violence at home (which begs the question of how many more have, but don't admit it?).
- derstander 3y ago
  > You're probably at a lower risk of being murdered with a bad cop than with your own family members. Sure, and I’m much more statistically likely to be hurt by a dog than mauled by a lion. But I’m not going to give up my dogs and start wandering into lion cages at the zoo. With travel, we often talk about deaths per x miles traveled. I think in this case a reasonable metric would be deaths or injuries per x minutes of interaction.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > You're probably at a lower risk of being murdered with a bad cop than with your own family members. If you have a cop as a family member, you are at an elevated risk of each of those, and much of that is the special risk of getting both simultaneously.
- banannaise 3y ago
  Most automotive collisions happen within 50 miles of your home. (You interact with your own family members many orders of magnitude more often than with the police; as such, raw numbers here would be wildly misleading.)
s1artibartfast 3y ago
You could apply that same criticism to your original post. What do you think the chance magnitude is of being killed for filming a police lobby? 1 in 10? 1 in 10 billion?
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The chance is non-zero, and that is unacceptable.
  - YellOh 3y ago
    Is this your actual argument? You will accept nothing less than literally zero? Surely you realize that this is impossible among any group of people (including police) in literally any place on Earth. What would your proposed policing system look like?
    - rolph 3y ago
      in my case, it would not only enforce the law, it would obey the law, be culpable for breaking the law, and would actively route out criminals, and gangs that manage to enlist.
      - YellOh 3y ago
        I think approximately everybody agrees with these ideals, but approximately nobody agrees on how to achieve them in the real world. Or agrees about comparative importance - ex. weighing being culpable for breaking the law against ability to enforce the law, if you see the discussion below about qualified immunity.
        mrguyorama 3y ago
        >I think approximately everybody agrees with these ideals Maybe in vague theory but in the past several years, every time a cop shoots someone without just cause there are a lot of people defending them. Hell, they get donated millions to defend themselves in court! Strangers send money to a random cop so he can afford expensive legal council to keep him from being guilty of a crime. Surely that can't be read as everyone wants accountability right?

Gosh yeah, I guess there's no room for consideration of magnitude.

chungy 3y ago

You're probably at a lower risk of being murdered with a bad cop than with your own family members.

thefurdrake 3y ago
Yes, but people in general don't weight their families as much of a danger as strangers. Interacting with cops has become scary for people.
FireBeyond 3y ago
In a fascinating irony, more than 40% of cops admit to instigating domestic violence at home (which begs the question of how many more have, but don't admit it?).
derstander 3y ago
> You're probably at a lower risk of being murdered with a bad cop than with your own family members. Sure, and I’m much more statistically likely to be hurt by a dog than mauled by a lion. But I’m not going to give up my dogs and start wandering into lion cages at the zoo. With travel, we often talk about deaths per x miles traveled. I think in this case a reasonable metric would be deaths or injuries per x minutes of interaction.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> You're probably at a lower risk of being murdered with a bad cop than with your own family members. If you have a cop as a family member, you are at an elevated risk of each of those, and much of that is the special risk of getting both simultaneously.
banannaise 3y ago
Most automotive collisions happen within 50 miles of your home. (You interact with your own family members many orders of magnitude more often than with the police; as such, raw numbers here would be wildly misleading.)

s1artibartfast 3y ago

You could apply that same criticism to your original post. What do you think the chance magnitude is of being killed for filming a police lobby? 1 in 10? 1 in 10 billion?

mrguyorama 3y ago
The chance is non-zero, and that is unacceptable.
- YellOh 3y ago
  Is this your actual argument? You will accept nothing less than literally zero? Surely you realize that this is impossible among any group of people (including police) in literally any place on Earth. What would your proposed policing system look like?
  - rolph 3y ago
    in my case, it would not only enforce the law, it would obey the law, be culpable for breaking the law, and would actively route out criminals, and gangs that manage to enlist.
    - YellOh 3y ago
      I think approximately everybody agrees with these ideals, but approximately nobody agrees on how to achieve them in the real world. Or agrees about comparative importance - ex. weighing being culpable for breaking the law against ability to enforce the law, if you see the discussion below about qualified immunity.
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        >I think approximately everybody agrees with these ideals Maybe in vague theory but in the past several years, every time a cop shoots someone without just cause there are a lot of people defending them. Hell, they get donated millions to defend themselves in court! Strangers send money to a random cop so he can afford expensive legal council to keep him from being guilty of a crime. Surely that can't be read as everyone wants accountability right?