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> There's still no practical armor, in 2023, that could protect anyone from a crossbow at short to medium ranges. Distinctly .. not true An average plate inse

> There's still no practical armor, in 2023, that could protect anyone from a crossbow at short to medium ranges. Distinctly .. not true An average plate insert will stop any crossbow bolt Likewise, dragon armor (I think was the brand name) is a set of overlapping, scale-like armor plate contained in a molle-compliant vest That would stop any crossbow bolt fired from a non-crew-managed-crossbow quite handily

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Source?
- warrenm 3y ago
  you're the one making the claim no modern armor can stop a cross bow bolt prove it
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    No, your the only one making a positive claim, and it's clearly far more stringent too. "Distinctly .. not true An average plate insert will stop any crossbow bolt..." You even italicized 'any'. All anyone has to do is find one highly penetrating crossbow bolt to disprove and negate your claim. Thus you need to provide credible evidence to convince folks there's literally zero possibility.
    - warrenm 3y ago
      lol here's your unsourced claim: > There's still no practical armor, in 2023, that could protect anyone from a crossbow at short to medium ranges. Unless you're purpose-building some kind of ultra-high-draw-weight crossbow with some very unusual bolt materials, you're not going to penetrate it Feel free to believe myths if you want, but they're simply not true[0] >The energy required to defeat a steel plate rises geometrically, not linearly, as the plate gets thicker, as Williams (2003) notes. In practice, a steel breastplate of decent (even just c. 2mm) thickness was functionally immune to handheld weapons and bows and crossbows except at extreme close range. You can see an example here of a high poundage (quite a bit higher than the 80lbs bows used by Williams in his test) longbow being shot into a steel breastplate at point-blank range. The breastplate is secured to the ground and there is no additional protection behind it – in terms of range, power, positioning this is an absolute worst-case test for the breastplate. It is barely scratched. >Crossbows can do somewhat better. Skallagrim tested a crossbow against both a lamellar (layered metal plates) armor and a breastplate – both of admittedly low quality – against a 350lbs crossbow and a 975lbs crossbow. While they are able to dent and punch holes in the breastplate, neither defeats it in a way that would wound a person wearing it. Range matters a lot – and these were fired at extreme close-range for the weapons. Now back to you: find me a source for your ridiculous claim that "There's still no practical armor, in 2023, that could protect anyone from a crossbow at short to medium ranges" Practical armor from 1000 years ago could stop them - and you seriously think armor today cannot? ------ [0] https://acoup.blog/2019/06/21/collections-punching-through-some-armor-myths/ https://acoup.blog/2019/06/21/collections-punching-through-s...
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        I forgot about this comment chain and only came across it later, sorry about that. Did you read the cited source? > While they are able to dent and punch holes in the breastplate, neither defeats it in a way that would wound a person wearing it. This sentence in particular doesn't sound credible at all. In fact it seems impossible for a person wearing a breastplate to not be wounded in some way after their breastplate is punched through with a hole. Starting a reply with a 'lol' also can only decrease the credibility of the writer, so this doesn't seem like a smart thing to do for someone looking to question another HN user's comments.

MichaelZuo 3y ago

Source?

warrenm 3y ago
you're the one making the claim no modern armor can stop a cross bow bolt prove it
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  No, your the only one making a positive claim, and it's clearly far more stringent too. "Distinctly .. not true An average plate insert will stop any crossbow bolt..." You even italicized 'any'. All anyone has to do is find one highly penetrating crossbow bolt to disprove and negate your claim. Thus you need to provide credible evidence to convince folks there's literally zero possibility.
  - warrenm 3y ago
    lol here's your unsourced claim: > There's still no practical armor, in 2023, that could protect anyone from a crossbow at short to medium ranges. Unless you're purpose-building some kind of ultra-high-draw-weight crossbow with some very unusual bolt materials, you're not going to penetrate it Feel free to believe myths if you want, but they're simply not true[0] >The energy required to defeat a steel plate rises geometrically, not linearly, as the plate gets thicker, as Williams (2003) notes. In practice, a steel breastplate of decent (even just c. 2mm) thickness was functionally immune to handheld weapons and bows and crossbows except at extreme close range. You can see an example here of a high poundage (quite a bit higher than the 80lbs bows used by Williams in his test) longbow being shot into a steel breastplate at point-blank range. The breastplate is secured to the ground and there is no additional protection behind it – in terms of range, power, positioning this is an absolute worst-case test for the breastplate. It is barely scratched. >Crossbows can do somewhat better. Skallagrim tested a crossbow against both a lamellar (layered metal plates) armor and a breastplate – both of admittedly low quality – against a 350lbs crossbow and a 975lbs crossbow. While they are able to dent and punch holes in the breastplate, neither defeats it in a way that would wound a person wearing it. Range matters a lot – and these were fired at extreme close-range for the weapons. Now back to you: find me a source for your ridiculous claim that "There's still no practical armor, in 2023, that could protect anyone from a crossbow at short to medium ranges" Practical armor from 1000 years ago could stop them - and you seriously think armor today cannot? ------ [0] https://acoup.blog/2019/06/21/collections-punching-through-some-armor-myths/ https://acoup.blog/2019/06/21/collections-punching-through-s...
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      I forgot about this comment chain and only came across it later, sorry about that. Did you read the cited source? > While they are able to dent and punch holes in the breastplate, neither defeats it in a way that would wound a person wearing it. This sentence in particular doesn't sound credible at all. In fact it seems impossible for a person wearing a breastplate to not be wounded in some way after their breastplate is punched through with a hole. Starting a reply with a 'lol' also can only decrease the credibility of the writer, so this doesn't seem like a smart thing to do for someone looking to question another HN user's comments.