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Help yourself: https://competition-cases.ec.europa.eu/search?sortField=caseLastDecisionDate&sortOrder=DESC https://competition-cases.ec.europa.eu/search?sortField=case...

sremani 3y ago
Siemens (5) cases: 1. no fine. 2. 67.6 million 3. 750 million (partial Siemens in of one over dozen defendants) 4. No last decision/No fine yet 5. No last decision/ No fine yet Microsoft (7) cases: 1.AT.37792 - 899.00 million 2. AT.39784 - non-fine decision 3. AT.39530 - 561.00 million Remaining 4 pending cases Google 7 cases: AT.40099 - 4.34 billion AT.39740 - 2.42 billion (2 non-fine cases) (3 pending cases) Last one.. BASF - 4 cases: AT.37533 - 66.4 million (partial one of 10 defendants) AT.37512 - fine imposed (partial one of 13 defendants), fine document not found. (2 non-fine cases) The amounts Microsoft and Google were demanded are in a different stratosphere. Now, you can comment about the choice of the industry I picked.. the heavy hand of Europe Anti-trust seems to be picking pocket of American tech companies a bit more than German bellwethers. Thanks for the link!
- cccbbbaaa 3y ago
  I don't think starting with a conclusion, only looking at the fines instead of the charges, ignoring factors that could influence the outcome (eg. EU companies being more familiar with EU regulations and regulators, for better or worse), and cherry-picking will give you a good opinion on how the EU works.
  - sremani 3y ago
    I expect this line of explanation. You can always start with a hypothesis. I started with one, that EU targets Big American tech. I did not include Meta's 1.2 billion Euro fine. For the sake of brevity. Now, that you understand, I do my homework, all you have to do this -- give me a European company that was fined Billion Euros for anti-trust. One case. (not group of companies or European company a defendant among 10 companies being fined). I could not find one. Self-deception is not my field of mastery!
    - cccbbbaaa 3y ago
      Yeah, once again, disregarding the actual charges. I don't want to say you're wrong, just that looking at the fines is, in my opinion, not a good measure and doesn't give a good picture.

Help yourself: https://competition-cases.ec.europa.eu/search?sortField=caseLastDecisionDate&sortOrder=DESC https://competition-cases.ec.europa.eu/search?sortField=case...

sremani 3y ago

Siemens (5) cases: 1. no fine. 2. 67.6 million 3. 750 million (partial Siemens in of one over dozen defendants) 4. No last decision/No fine yet 5. No last decision/ No fine yet Microsoft (7) cases: 1.AT.37792 - 899.00 million 2. AT.39784 - non-fine decision 3. AT.39530 - 561.00 million Remaining 4 pending cases Google 7 cases: AT.40099 - 4.34 billion AT.39740 - 2.42 billion (2 non-fine cases) (3 pending cases) Last one.. BASF - 4 cases: AT.37533 - 66.4 million (partial one of 10 defendants) AT.37512 - fine imposed (partial one of 13 defendants), fine document not found. (2 non-fine cases) The amounts Microsoft and Google were demanded are in a different stratosphere. Now, you can comment about the choice of the industry I picked.. the heavy hand of Europe Anti-trust seems to be picking pocket of American tech companies a bit more than German bellwethers. Thanks for the link!

cccbbbaaa 3y ago
I don't think starting with a conclusion, only looking at the fines instead of the charges, ignoring factors that could influence the outcome (eg. EU companies being more familiar with EU regulations and regulators, for better or worse), and cherry-picking will give you a good opinion on how the EU works.
- sremani 3y ago
  I expect this line of explanation. You can always start with a hypothesis. I started with one, that EU targets Big American tech. I did not include Meta's 1.2 billion Euro fine. For the sake of brevity. Now, that you understand, I do my homework, all you have to do this -- give me a European company that was fined Billion Euros for anti-trust. One case. (not group of companies or European company a defendant among 10 companies being fined). I could not find one. Self-deception is not my field of mastery!
  - cccbbbaaa 3y ago
    Yeah, once again, disregarding the actual charges. I don't want to say you're wrong, just that looking at the fines is, in my opinion, not a good measure and doesn't give a good picture.