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Google employees could resolve this. They've dissented for various reasons before, and changed internal policy, why not with this?

ta1243 3y ago
It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  In this case, it's not even his salary: it's his comfort and ease of labor. It's hard to support a heterogeneous space of user agents running on a heterogeneous set of platforms. Eventually, abstractions break and you end up with a weird bug that only manifests on such-and-such browser in so-and-so configuration. How much easier life is if you only have to support a few browsers on hardware that checksums to have a known-good configuration...
  - dleeftink 3y ago
    In the end, does ease of development outweigh all secondary parties affected in this case?
    - echelon 3y ago
      Distribution of power is worth the overhead.
  - somsak2 3y ago
    You think people care more about that than their salary?
    - shadowgovt 3y ago
      It'd vary from person to person, but to a first approximation: Googlers are well-compensated and can be well-compensated at a lot of places. The next best compensation the company can offer them is minimizing drudgework. Chasing down render errors in the deep interactions between declarative HTML rendering and an esoteric-but-important hardware / software configuration is drudgework.
      - dleeftink 3y ago
        On the other side, drudgework, in all its dullness and frustration, is still work. If there's less of it, some jobs may be disappear--cushy salary or not. Some of my best ideas even, came out of clearing drudge.
nness 3y ago
Dissent was a pre mass-layoff phenomenon.
echelon 3y ago
It isn't 1995-2010 anymore. We've lost the ethos of the open web due to platformization and social media fatigue. Gen Z knows nothing of what the web was once like, and lots of folks now embrace companies being stewards of the commons, eg. Apple App Store. There's also the current down hiring market and macro economic conditions.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  The hacker era of the web was "take care of it yourself." It has been supplanted by "we will take care of you." In hindsight, perhaps none of us should have been surprised the latter was a better proposal for most people.
- tim333 3y ago
  A lot of open web is still out there. I guess if people choose to use platforms it's up to them.
numbsafari 3y ago
Why would they dissent... you think Pichai is writing the code himself? Google employees are the ones writing this code, doing the designs, the QA, the project planning. You can't expect the people who work for these companies to do the right thing. Time and time again, it requires outside forces. Either customers or legislation.
mistercheph 3y ago
Googlers only dissent about issues handcrafted to be distractions, anything Google does that threatens the preservation of open and free societies is fair play.

ta1243 3y ago

It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome
shadowgovt 3y ago
In this case, it's not even his salary: it's his comfort and ease of labor. It's hard to support a heterogeneous space of user agents running on a heterogeneous set of platforms. Eventually, abstractions break and you end up with a weird bug that only manifests on such-and-such browser in so-and-so configuration. How much easier life is if you only have to support a few browsers on hardware that checksums to have a known-good configuration...
- dleeftink 3y ago
  In the end, does ease of development outweigh all secondary parties affected in this case?
  - echelon 3y ago
    Distribution of power is worth the overhead.
- somsak2 3y ago
  You think people care more about that than their salary?
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    It'd vary from person to person, but to a first approximation: Googlers are well-compensated and can be well-compensated at a lot of places. The next best compensation the company can offer them is minimizing drudgework. Chasing down render errors in the deep interactions between declarative HTML rendering and an esoteric-but-important hardware / software configuration is drudgework.
    - dleeftink 3y ago
      On the other side, drudgework, in all its dullness and frustration, is still work. If there's less of it, some jobs may be disappear--cushy salary or not. Some of my best ideas even, came out of clearing drudge.

nness 3y ago

Dissent was a pre mass-layoff phenomenon.

echelon 3y ago

It isn't 1995-2010 anymore. We've lost the ethos of the open web due to platformization and social media fatigue. Gen Z knows nothing of what the web was once like, and lots of folks now embrace companies being stewards of the commons, eg. Apple App Store. There's also the current down hiring market and macro economic conditions.

shadowgovt 3y ago
The hacker era of the web was "take care of it yourself." It has been supplanted by "we will take care of you." In hindsight, perhaps none of us should have been surprised the latter was a better proposal for most people.
tim333 3y ago
A lot of open web is still out there. I guess if people choose to use platforms it's up to them.

numbsafari 3y ago

Why would they dissent... you think Pichai is writing the code himself? Google employees are the ones writing this code, doing the designs, the QA, the project planning. You can't expect the people who work for these companies to do the right thing. Time and time again, it requires outside forces. Either customers or legislation.

mistercheph 3y ago

Googlers only dissent about issues handcrafted to be distractions, anything Google does that threatens the preservation of open and free societies is fair play.