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The article ends: > [one customer] ultimately concluded there is nothing wrong with his car. The problem, he said, was that Tesla is overstating its performanc
by HWR_14 3y ago
The article ends:
> [one customer] ultimately concluded there is nothing wrong with his car. The problem, he said, was that Tesla is overstating its performance
As I read this, either his car was defective or he was lied to to convince him to make a $XX,000 purchase. It seems that Tesla should be facing some form of fraud-based lawsuit over the lies selling the car or treating it under warranty, right?
- sneak 3y agoTesla has more lawyers than you do. Bringing a lawsuit for fraud, which you may not win, will cost you $10-20k cash out of pocket up front.
- HWR_14 3y agoThis is why class action lawsuits exist. I can throw my $20 in with a thousand other people who all have the same problem. Or, more likely, when looking at that big a settlement, we can find a lawyer who works on contingency.
- sneak 3y agoIt's likely that you waived your rights to a class action against Tesla when you agreed to some EULA.
- CryptoBanker 3y agoAnd that clause will never be enforceable in court
- anticensor 3y agoThere is a way to act against that too: "whatever is decided in court, if anything deviates from the spirit of this contract's full enforcement for any reason within either party's control, both parties are fully liable for undoing every part of their performance, including refunding all the products and services."
- stetrain 3y agoTesla advertises the EPA rated range. The car not actually achieving that range in real world conditions (which are more varied than the test conditions) is not necessarily defective or false advertising. Now I do think that the EPA ratings are inadequate and inconsistent. Those could use some improvement to better reflect real world driving conditions.
- rootusrootus 3y agoMost normal Tesla owners I'm familiar with just come to accept that the website range claim is complete horseshit. They go on with their lives and just don't worry about it. For around town, it'll get somewhat close to rated range anyway, and road trips aren't that common for most people. The supercharger network is pretty good, and if you have to stop every 200 miles instead of the rated 358, then so be it. Personally I think the EPA should revamp the rating system. I want to see every manufacturer forced to admit what range to expect if we use 90% of the battery capacity, at 70 mph, in 32F ambient temperature with climate control set to 68F. The only time people really care deeply about range is on the interstate, so the range numbers really ought to reflect that.
- x86x87 3y agoNo. Sorry. Making the claim that most tesla owners do X is in my opinion horseshit. Tesla should be ashamed of themselves and should be sued into oblivion for false advertising. This is not a +/- 5%. This is a massive lie and a coverup.
- panick21_ 3y agoThey use the official process. Sue the EPA.
- rootusrootus 3y agoSort of. The official process comes in a couple different flavors, and there are absolutely ways to game it. It's not like EPA is running the tests themselves, they just write the rules. Also, AFAICT there is no penalty for sandbagging (see also Porsche). Tesla could give realistic numbers but instead ran the tests in the most optimistic way possible and chose the best numbers they could plausibly claim to be EPA formula.
- x86x87 3y agoThe VW method!
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