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HTML-first web framework, where you type server-side JS... first. I have nothing against Node and SSR but why call it "HTML-first"? It also has client-side JS.

HTML-first web framework, where you type server-side JS... first. I have nothing against Node and SSR but why call it "HTML-first"? It also has client-side JS. It's just a page. In any case the gigantic pink sheep and clouds that is their entire landing page demonstrate those are either not serious people, or their audience isn't.

giancarlostoro 3y ago
Felt like they were trying to do the Remix front page thing, but Remix does it right, it shows you why you want to use it as you scroll down, though to be fair, I don't know why websites that do that, don't just have a video instead. Give me a traditional website with scrolling that feels familiar and a video. I'll click play.
Spivak 3y ago
I think having the cutesy landing page is designed specifically to exclude the kind of curmudgeons who consider themselves super serious developers who only do super serious work who are too good for fun. If you've ever hung out in dev communities that skew younger it's like 90% memes and mostly positivity. They're sending all the right signals that working with them would be enjoyable which is good when you want to build a community and are just starting out.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  When I open the page of a framework, I want to quickly understand the value proposition of a framework. Of course the attitude you're describing, is more about memes, being cool, having fun, and having lots of free time, and yes, a lot of modern young "developers" are like that these days. They don't do much developing, but they sure have a lot of fun.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    You must have had a very different experience than me because I will literally never pump out as much code as I did when I was ~14-19. Free time, nigh infinite motivation and energy, and a brain that sucks up information like a shop vac after a flood.
    - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
      What you did and what (most) young people do now is not the same thing. We're in a very rapid cultural shift.
torgoguys 3y ago
>HTML-first web framework, where you type server-side JS... first. Yeah, I think a lot of us are bumping against that. They need to change either their examples or their branding... >In any case the gigantic pink sheep and clouds that is their entire landing page demonstrate those are either not serious people, or their audience isn't. ...but hard disagree here. Don't change that! That page is fun and positive. You can be serious as in "deliberate" and "thoughtful" without being serious as in "humorless" or "somber". The former types of seriousness are the more important ones when you're trying to get stuff done.

giancarlostoro 3y ago

Felt like they were trying to do the Remix front page thing, but Remix does it right, it shows you why you want to use it as you scroll down, though to be fair, I don't know why websites that do that, don't just have a video instead. Give me a traditional website with scrolling that feels familiar and a video. I'll click play.

Spivak 3y ago

I think having the cutesy landing page is designed specifically to exclude the kind of curmudgeons who consider themselves super serious developers who only do super serious work who are too good for fun. If you've ever hung out in dev communities that skew younger it's like 90% memes and mostly positivity. They're sending all the right signals that working with them would be enjoyable which is good when you want to build a community and are just starting out.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
When I open the page of a framework, I want to quickly understand the value proposition of a framework. Of course the attitude you're describing, is more about memes, being cool, having fun, and having lots of free time, and yes, a lot of modern young "developers" are like that these days. They don't do much developing, but they sure have a lot of fun.
- Spivak 3y ago
  You must have had a very different experience than me because I will literally never pump out as much code as I did when I was ~14-19. Free time, nigh infinite motivation and energy, and a brain that sucks up information like a shop vac after a flood.
  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    What you did and what (most) young people do now is not the same thing. We're in a very rapid cultural shift.

torgoguys 3y ago

>HTML-first web framework, where you type server-side JS... first. Yeah, I think a lot of us are bumping against that. They need to change either their examples or their branding... >In any case the gigantic pink sheep and clouds that is their entire landing page demonstrate those are either not serious people, or their audience isn't. ...but hard disagree here. Don't change that! That page is fun and positive. You can be serious as in "deliberate" and "thoughtful" without being serious as in "humorless" or "somber". The former types of seriousness are the more important ones when you're trying to get stuff done.