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What are programmers, labourers or artisans? What are managers?

by yreg 3y ago

dredmorbius 3y ago
Programmers are what we now call technicians, so effectively artisans. Managers would be priests or kings. Ruling / administrative castes. There are a few other tweaks or additions which might be made. The professions, notably law and medicine, could be added, arguably administrative or artisan, though a professional class could be added. Some systems add in landlords, though depending on the historical system or context, that's usually some form of the nobility. Keep in mind that all ontologies are mappings onto a complex reality. I find it interesting to see how different groups / times / cultures have mapped out different roles, the status which is assigned to these, and which seem most foundational to human cultures. If you look at the Reddit post linked (I'm the author), the various listings of occupations both vary considerably over time and share some similarities.
dcuthbertson 3y ago
In this particular taxonomy, programmers are software developers [0]. The about-page [1] says ESCO is meant to work as a dictionary providing a common language on occupations and skills. That's all well and good. I just hope no one in the EU is tempted to use the ESCO classification in a formal manner (it reminds me of when I was a captain in the USAF, and my designated role was 3055 Comm-Electronics Engineer). They'll never keep up. For example, the Software Developer occupation lists a lot of programming languages and frameworks under "Optional Knowledge", but I was disappointed to see that the list doesn't include C, Go, or Rust. (edited for clarity) [0]: https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/classification/occupation?uri=http://data.europa.eu/esco/occupation/f2b15a0e-e65a-438a-affb-29b9d50b77d1 https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/classification/occupation?uri=h... [1]: https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/about-esco/what-esco https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/about-esco/what-esco

What are programmers, labourers or artisans? What are managers?

by yreg 3y ago

What are programmers, labourers or artisans? What are managers?

Programmers are what we now call technicians, so effectively artisans. Managers would be priests or kings. Ruling / administrative castes. There are a few other tweaks or additions which might be made. The professions, notably law and medicine, could be added, arguably administrative or artisan, though a professional class could be added. Some systems add in landlords, though depending on the historical system or context, that's usually some form of the nobility. Keep in mind that all ontologies are mappings onto a complex reality. I find it interesting to see how different groups / times / cultures have mapped out different roles, the status which is assigned to these, and which seem most foundational to human cultures. If you look at the Reddit post linked (I'm the author), the various listings of occupations both vary considerably over time and share some similarities.

dcuthbertson 3y ago

In this particular taxonomy, programmers are software developers [0]. The about-page [1] says ESCO is meant to work as a dictionary providing a common language on occupations and skills. That's all well and good. I just hope no one in the EU is tempted to use the ESCO classification in a formal manner (it reminds me of when I was a captain in the USAF, and my designated role was 3055 Comm-Electronics Engineer). They'll never keep up. For example, the Software Developer occupation lists a lot of programming languages and frameworks under "Optional Knowledge", but I was disappointed to see that the list doesn't include C, Go, or Rust. (edited for clarity) [0]: https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/classification/occupation?uri=http://data.europa.eu/esco/occupation/f2b15a0e-e65a-438a-affb-29b9d50b77d1 https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/classification/occupation?uri=h... [1]: https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/about-esco/what-esco https://esco.ec.europa.eu/en/about-esco/what-esco