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>Investigators […] suspect the group may have succumbed to […] or carbon monoxide poisoning from trying to make fire to stay warm, Barnes said. How does one po

by yreg 3y ago

>Investigators […] suspect the group may have succumbed to […] or carbon monoxide poisoning from trying to make fire to stay warm, Barnes said. How does one poison themself making a fire out in the open?

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brudgers 3y ago
In less time than it takes to boil water, a gas camping stoves can produce enough CO to fill a large tent...I know from experience. My CO meter saved me from more than a headache. A headache because I thought the CO meter was malfunctioning until I started feeling the headache. Live and learn. But I had a CO meter because of Youtube. And because of Walmart. CO has the same molecular weight as N2 and so it doesn't dissipate without air exchange (N2 is most of the atmosphere). So the only way to get away from it is to go outside. But it's night because it's winter. The temperature is -6C. The wind is 50km/hr. There's snow on the ground. You're malnourished. And now you have a headache. Thinking "I will feel better once I am warm," is not unreasonable.
- yreg 3y ago
  Wait you use a gas camping stove _inside the tent_? I thought it's a no-brainer that one should never ever do that. My tent has a huge label on the inside to not even light up a lighter.
  - brudgers 3y ago
    I suspect my use case is different than you are picturing. For example, mine includes CO meters and Walmarts and “tent” is an analog for the back of my van which for practical purposes is a metal tent when I road trip. To put it another way, I have a CO alarm in my van because I cook in my van because I live in my van for a few weeks at a time while traveling the US. One June morning last year, I fired up my propane stove to make my oatmeal because my butane stove was low on fuel and because I was on “The Loneliest Road in America” [1] and it would be a couple of days before I hit Reno. Keep in mind, the CO alarm went off because I have a CO alarm. The stupid act was assuming it was malfunctioning before I felt the headache. I could be that stupid at home if the alarm in my home goes off. Hope that makes sense. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_50_in_Nevada https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_50_in_Nevada

by yreg 3y ago

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brudgers 3y ago

In less time than it takes to boil water, a gas camping stoves can produce enough CO to fill a large tent...I know from experience. My CO meter saved me from more than a headache. A headache because I thought the CO meter was malfunctioning until I started feeling the headache. Live and learn. But I had a CO meter because of Youtube. And because of Walmart. CO has the same molecular weight as N2 and so it doesn't dissipate without air exchange (N2 is most of the atmosphere). So the only way to get away from it is to go outside. But it's night because it's winter. The temperature is -6C. The wind is 50km/hr. There's snow on the ground. You're malnourished. And now you have a headache. Thinking "I will feel better once I am warm," is not unreasonable.

yreg 3y ago
Wait you use a gas camping stove _inside the tent_? I thought it's a no-brainer that one should never ever do that. My tent has a huge label on the inside to not even light up a lighter.
- brudgers 3y ago
  I suspect my use case is different than you are picturing. For example, mine includes CO meters and Walmarts and “tent” is an analog for the back of my van which for practical purposes is a metal tent when I road trip. To put it another way, I have a CO alarm in my van because I cook in my van because I live in my van for a few weeks at a time while traveling the US. One June morning last year, I fired up my propane stove to make my oatmeal because my butane stove was low on fuel and because I was on “The Loneliest Road in America” [1] and it would be a couple of days before I hit Reno. Keep in mind, the CO alarm went off because I have a CO alarm. The stupid act was assuming it was malfunctioning before I felt the headache. I could be that stupid at home if the alarm in my home goes off. Hope that makes sense. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_50_in_Nevada https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_50_in_Nevada