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The problem with mechanisms like that is that they can also be (ab)used for bad stuff. For example - in my country gay marriage was made explicitly illegal wit
by zirgs 3y ago
The problem with mechanisms like that is that they can also be (ab)used for bad stuff.
For example - in my country gay marriage was made explicitly illegal with a constitutional amendment in 2005.
Many other countries could legalise it with a simple majority vote. But we now need either a 2/3 majority or a referendum. Both of which are very unlikely to pass.
- lynx23 3y agoMarriage is a dying concept anyways. With a few exceptions, it appears it is only used to secure relationships where children are involved. And given the declining birth rate and steadily increasing independence of women, marriage is a rather antiquated concept. It will not be missed.
- qwerty456127 3y agoMarriage is a solid legal ground for getting a visa for your partner whenever you move to another country - this is very useful.
- zirgs 3y agoYup - my country considers gay couples not married - even if they have been married in another country. Even worse - if another country requests that information - my country will also say that they are not married. Because - obviously - they will ask the country that the couple are citizens of not some random 3rd country.
- qwerty456127 3y agoDo they really request that from your country of origin? I thought an apostilled american marriage certificate (which is relatively easy to get, no matter what coutry you are from) usually is enough.
- lynx23 3y agoOh yes, I still remember the few cases where I saw that being put to "good" use. It was always about enabling immigration which would otherwise have failed. Find a woman to do a fake marriage with, pay her for it, and voila, you are in!
- qwerty456127 3y agoUnfortunately getting citizenship anywhere through fake (and even legitimate) marriage has became fairly hard these days. I firmly believe gettin in any country should be (for benefit of the country itself) easy for anybody who is not a thug an can take care of themselves.
- qwerty456127 3y agoNice point. I just wonder why do people care about others' sex and marriage so much that they would put that in the very constitution. To me this sounds like a constitution amendment to introduce a dedicated paragraph to ban pineapple pizza. I just eat what I want, have sex with whom we mutually want and share my life with whom I trust, how is my personal choice relevant to anybody else? Okay, if they feel so disturbed they could issue a separate law banning anything but how is this so important they need to put it in the definition of a country?
- YellOh 3y agoI think it would be more similar to prohibition than pineapple pizza, at least to people who care about it. Presumably less alcohol/less gay marriage is expected to help save people from the temptation toward grievous sins (at least in Christian settings), and help support the traditional family unit in its duties to raise the next generation (less alcohol = less domestic abuse and financial stupidity / less homosexuality = more straight relationships, more children, and partnerships more likely to follow a traditional division of labor & have a woman to raise the children). I'm in favor of equal rights to marriage, I just think your comment would badly fail the Ideological Turing Test.
- brightlancer 3y ago> For example - in my country gay marriage was made explicitly illegal with a constitutional amendment in 2005. Are you referring to the US? Many US states passed state constitution amendments (some in 2005) to limit legal marriage and its rights/ privileges to heterosexual couples; it wasn't illegal as in a crime, nobody was getting arrested, but folks were being discriminated against by the government. In 2010, then-President Obama repeated his opposition to same-sex marriage. It wasn't until 2012 and running for re-election that his position "evolved". Same-sex marriage was not mainstream until very recently, even in supposedly liberal nations.
- zirgs 3y agoYup, but the Americans now act as if they always had gay marriage and call people from other countries bigots. Especially on sites like reddit.
- nerdponx 3y agoConsider that some Americans have always thought gay marriage should be allowed, and that other Americans are/were bigots for not wanting it.