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> in reality, this is a much, MUCH bigger issue than whether some random plugin is or isn't allowed on the iphone. That was my point. It is about whether you g

by dejb 18y ago

> in reality, this is a much, MUCH bigger issue than whether some random plugin is or isn't allowed on the iphone. That was my point. It is about whether you get to operate your phone the way you want. It is about the percentage of existing and future innovation you will be able to access. Without this the value of the platform will deteriorate. > i personally don't like flash. So you think you or Steve Jobs should get to decide if anyone else can use it. What sort of totalitarian utopia do you have in mind?

allenbrunson 18y ago
Would you agree that jobs gets to decide how the iPhone works? Because that's what this comes down to. flash has always been a terrible experience on the mac. It sucks up ridiculous amounts of CPU, far worse than on Windows. Given the iPhones limited CPU, it would like be even worse there. By not giving in to adobe now, jobs is holding out for faster, better alternatives to emerge.
allenbrunson 18y ago
Would you agree that jobs gets to decide how the iPhone works? Because that's what this comes down to. flash has always been a terrible experience on the mac. It sucks up ridiculous amounts of CPU, far worse than on Windows. Given the iPhones limited CPU, it would like be even worse there. By not giving in to adobe now, jobs is holding out for faster, better alternatives to emerge.
- dejb 18y ago
  > Would you agree that jobs gets to decide how the iPhone works? I don't agree that it is a good idea to let him decide what you are allowed to run on 'your' phone. > By not giving in to adobe now, jobs is holding out for faster, better alternatives to emerge. 'But he is benign dictator so it's OK'. Why not let the customers choose? What if he started doing that with your computer with other plugins, platforms and standards? Maybe they could start to decide that other standards are no good and ban them too. Why not ban mp3's or divX? Where does it stop? If and when jobs retires and the reality distortion field starts to wear off people are going to see this for what it really is.
  - allenbrunson 18y ago
    jobs doesn't let the customers choose for the same reason that pg doesn't let just anybody choose what gets to the front page of this site. democracy leads to mediocrity, every time. and no, jobs won't be respected any less after he's gone. apple is the only major tech company ever to be near death for years and then be brought back to the top of the heap. that's steve jobs' work, and it makes him a unique individual among unique individuals.
    - dejb 18y ago
      > jobs doesn't let the customers choose for the same reason that pg doesn't let just anybody choose what gets to the front page of this site. This couldn't be more wrong. Hacker News allows anyone to sign up and submit pretty much any article they want. Then people vote on what gets to the front page. This is in fact an example of democracy in action. > democracy leads to mediocrity, every time. Your true colours are revealed. Why not also 'Freedom is slavery'... Look it up. > and no, jobs won't be respected any less after he's gone. We where talking about apple and the future of one of their products. You seem to be more interested in jobs. Enough said.

by dejb 18y ago

allenbrunson 18y ago

Would you agree that jobs gets to decide how the iPhone works? Because that's what this comes down to. flash has always been a terrible experience on the mac. It sucks up ridiculous amounts of CPU, far worse than on Windows. Given the iPhones limited CPU, it would like be even worse there. By not giving in to adobe now, jobs is holding out for faster, better alternatives to emerge.

allenbrunson 18y ago

dejb 18y ago
> Would you agree that jobs gets to decide how the iPhone works? I don't agree that it is a good idea to let him decide what you are allowed to run on 'your' phone. > By not giving in to adobe now, jobs is holding out for faster, better alternatives to emerge. 'But he is benign dictator so it's OK'. Why not let the customers choose? What if he started doing that with your computer with other plugins, platforms and standards? Maybe they could start to decide that other standards are no good and ban them too. Why not ban mp3's or divX? Where does it stop? If and when jobs retires and the reality distortion field starts to wear off people are going to see this for what it really is.
- allenbrunson 18y ago
  jobs doesn't let the customers choose for the same reason that pg doesn't let just anybody choose what gets to the front page of this site. democracy leads to mediocrity, every time. and no, jobs won't be respected any less after he's gone. apple is the only major tech company ever to be near death for years and then be brought back to the top of the heap. that's steve jobs' work, and it makes him a unique individual among unique individuals.
  - dejb 18y ago
    > jobs doesn't let the customers choose for the same reason that pg doesn't let just anybody choose what gets to the front page of this site. This couldn't be more wrong. Hacker News allows anyone to sign up and submit pretty much any article they want. Then people vote on what gets to the front page. This is in fact an example of democracy in action. > democracy leads to mediocrity, every time. Your true colours are revealed. Why not also 'Freedom is slavery'... Look it up. > and no, jobs won't be respected any less after he's gone. We where talking about apple and the future of one of their products. You seem to be more interested in jobs. Enough said.