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America Already Has an AI Underclass

30 points by jdkee 3y ago

jdkee 3y ago
See https://archive.is/5zl1U https://archive.is/5zl1U
klipt 3y ago
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- meinoeith 3y ago
  There’s no upside to anyone being sympathetic to you specifically either; supply and demand and all that. Good luck.
  - meinoeith 3y ago
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    - brutusborn 3y ago
      I think you're getting downvoted because your comment was snarky, and didn't really make sense or engage with the parent comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - meinoeith 3y ago
        It makes perfect sense; op says normalize or gtfo, they ain’t special From everyone else’s reference frame op isn’t special either No one is a divine mandate; op can deal with diversity in the world or gtfo is just as valid a point
        shotnothing 3y ago
        this reads like /g/
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- colpabar 3y ago
  That was in the first sentence, home schooling is not mentioned again, and the article discusses lots of other types of people who work these jobs. The main focus is on the disparities between them and the sam altman types getting filthy rich off AI and how it isn’t exactly fair given that this “underclass” of people is necessary for the AI to work well. There is an archive link in case you didn’t get past the paywall. Also, you should know that some people home school their children for reasons other than the one you dislike.
- ekam 3y ago
  seems like a lot of unwarranted conclusions. What if she doesn’t think public schools are good for other people’s kids either? What if she doesn’t live in an area with good public schools? I’ve known people that chose homeschooling and it’s not extreme at all
squokko 3y ago
If you don't want the job, quit
- krapp 3y ago
  I feel like we should be able to do better than "accept arbitrary exploitation or starve" but I dunno.
brutusborn 3y ago
Verbose garbage. The essence is: "low skilled workers don't earn much money." This is basically a Marxist criticism: the owner class of AI systems take advantage of the proletariat class "AI raters." The classes are not equal in renumeration so this is bad. Since they seem to imply the definition of 'underclass' means 'people that earn less than their employers,' America had an 'AI underclass' as soon as RLHF started being used. No solutions are offered to this 'problem,' just some bashing of corporations to make the audience feel good at having someone to be angry at. This author has taken the AI topic du jour and ran with it, see: "ChatGPT Is Already Obsolete" - story is basically 'novel tech improves quickly!' "Conspiracy Theories Have a New Best Friend" - story is basically 'LLMs can be used to make propaganda!'
- meinoeith 3y ago
  Seems to have worked at making you angry. Well, triggering the embedded anger at the world anyway Sorry grubhub doesn’t deliver all the answers and you have to dig at the world yourself some
  - brutusborn 3y ago
    Not angry, just frustrated at journalists who care more about stoking outrage than improving the world. Journalists are meant to do the digging for their readers. If they claim something in society isn't good, I don't think it's unreasonable that they should be expected to at least look into proposed solutions.
    - marcus_holmes 3y ago
      Journalists need to get paid. Newspapers made a huge mistake back in '96 and went online for free. So now we're trained to think of news as free and ad-supported. But to be ad-supported they need clicks, and humans click more on things that make us angry/outraged/sad/etc. So journalists have to write articles that cause those emotions in order to get paid. It's all shit, but blaming the journos isn't the solution. If we want to get "real" journalism, we have to pay for it. We need to become the customer so the advertiser isn't and the journos can go back to being the watchdogs on democracy that we desperately need.
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ldehaan 3y ago
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onewheeltom 3y ago
What they are saying is that AI is not so magical. There is a significant amount of grunt work required to get non garbage/obscene results to queries. What happens when the AI companies need to start making $$? Is this the Internet bubble again?

30 points by jdkee 3y ago

jdkee 3y ago

See https://archive.is/5zl1U https://archive.is/5zl1U

klipt 3y ago

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meinoeith 3y ago
There’s no upside to anyone being sympathetic to you specifically either; supply and demand and all that. Good luck.
- meinoeith 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - brutusborn 3y ago
    I think you're getting downvoted because your comment was snarky, and didn't really make sense or engage with the parent comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - meinoeith 3y ago
      It makes perfect sense; op says normalize or gtfo, they ain’t special From everyone else’s reference frame op isn’t special either No one is a divine mandate; op can deal with diversity in the world or gtfo is just as valid a point
      - shotnothing 3y ago
        this reads like /g/
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colpabar 3y ago
That was in the first sentence, home schooling is not mentioned again, and the article discusses lots of other types of people who work these jobs. The main focus is on the disparities between them and the sam altman types getting filthy rich off AI and how it isn’t exactly fair given that this “underclass” of people is necessary for the AI to work well. There is an archive link in case you didn’t get past the paywall. Also, you should know that some people home school their children for reasons other than the one you dislike.
ekam 3y ago
seems like a lot of unwarranted conclusions. What if she doesn’t think public schools are good for other people’s kids either? What if she doesn’t live in an area with good public schools? I’ve known people that chose homeschooling and it’s not extreme at all

squokko 3y ago

If you don't want the job, quit

krapp 3y ago
I feel like we should be able to do better than "accept arbitrary exploitation or starve" but I dunno.

brutusborn 3y ago

Verbose garbage. The essence is: "low skilled workers don't earn much money." This is basically a Marxist criticism: the owner class of AI systems take advantage of the proletariat class "AI raters." The classes are not equal in renumeration so this is bad. Since they seem to imply the definition of 'underclass' means 'people that earn less than their employers,' America had an 'AI underclass' as soon as RLHF started being used. No solutions are offered to this 'problem,' just some bashing of corporations to make the audience feel good at having someone to be angry at. This author has taken the AI topic du jour and ran with it, see: "ChatGPT Is Already Obsolete" - story is basically 'novel tech improves quickly!' "Conspiracy Theories Have a New Best Friend" - story is basically 'LLMs can be used to make propaganda!'

meinoeith 3y ago
Seems to have worked at making you angry. Well, triggering the embedded anger at the world anyway Sorry grubhub doesn’t deliver all the answers and you have to dig at the world yourself some
- brutusborn 3y ago
  Not angry, just frustrated at journalists who care more about stoking outrage than improving the world. Journalists are meant to do the digging for their readers. If they claim something in society isn't good, I don't think it's unreasonable that they should be expected to at least look into proposed solutions.
  - marcus_holmes 3y ago
    Journalists need to get paid. Newspapers made a huge mistake back in '96 and went online for free. So now we're trained to think of news as free and ad-supported. But to be ad-supported they need clicks, and humans click more on things that make us angry/outraged/sad/etc. So journalists have to write articles that cause those emotions in order to get paid. It's all shit, but blaming the journos isn't the solution. If we want to get "real" journalism, we have to pay for it. We need to become the customer so the advertiser isn't and the journos can go back to being the watchdogs on democracy that we desperately need.

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ldehaan 3y ago

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onewheeltom 3y ago

What they are saying is that AI is not so magical. There is a significant amount of grunt work required to get non garbage/obscene results to queries. What happens when the AI companies need to start making $$? Is this the Internet bubble again?