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I think it's also a pretty big thing to unwind, right? Do they keep all the people who are in the system because of something related to weed in, or do you let

I think it's also a pretty big thing to unwind, right? Do they keep all the people who are in the system because of something related to weed in, or do you let them go? Do they assume culpability for fines, imprisonment, damages, defamation... I'd say it seems to be in the best interest of the ruling class to orchestrate a slow deflation. States legalize it against the will of the federal government, this gets people out of the system for related charges. After some critical mass they homologate it with alcohol/tobacco and there's no catastrophic secondary motion. In the linked maps, many of the areas with the highest drug use, which I assume predicts potsmoking rates, also so happen to be the ones which have elected to legalize in some capacity. Whether that stands up to statistical tests of significance is another matter... Anyways, these policies were put into action by the federal government, repealing them may appear to be an admission of fault - and fault that appearing increasingly to have retarded important research on a number of candidates for a variety of therapies while also crushing countless thousands of lives for behaviors that are, I (and I think many others) would argue, fundamental to humans. It's interesting to look at some maps: US Population Map: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Population_by_U.S._state.svg#/media/File:Population_by_U.S._state.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Population_by_U.S._s... Map of Cannabis Status: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_US_state_cannabis_laws.svg#/media/File:Map_of_US_state_cannabis_laws.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_US_state_cann... Maps of Drug Statistics: https://www.pewtrusts.org/-/media/post-launch-images/2018/03/pspp_more_imprisonment_does_not_reduce_state_drug_problems_fig2.png https://www.pewtrusts.org/-/media/post-launch-images/2018/03...

godelski 3y ago
> Do they keep all the people who are in the system because of something related to weed in, or do you let them go? Easy, you let them go. You shouldn't be in jail for something that is legal. Now, if there's more to the crime than possession (and honestly I don't personally care about distribution), then that's a different story. But that different story needs to include something that is illegal with current laws.
- brnaftr361 3y ago
  Which like... If you were a prisoner for instance, how do you think you'd feel if they pretty much admitted that "Hey, we were wrong, we put you up for x years." Personally I think it makes it tantamount to false imprisonment and a miscarriage of justice, and blatantly admitting to fault with no reluctance whatsoever. Not to mention in any cases where it the crime was registered as - felonious we're talking the restoration of rights to these folks. But then there's damages. I was refused an entry level job at a convenience store over possession/consumption charges which at the time had occurred 4 years prior. Those were misdemeanor charges. How many people have had their balls busted over "trafficking of a controlled substance" because they were on an interstate, wound up with a felony charge, probation, prison/jail time, and a record that haunted them for years. I went straight because I had a decent job laid in my lap that turned a blind eye to my record - a lot of people in a lot of places won't have that opportunity. And if they acknowledge that, then they'll also have to acknowledge that they were also reasonably at fault for poor outcomes which proceeded from their intervention. You go into the College of Criminals with an AS in potsmoking and graduate with a PhD in dealing meth and an MS in criminal violence - no surprise the recidivism rate is so high.
lesuorac 3y ago
> Do they keep all the people who are in the system because of something related to weed in, or do you let them go? That's something each state will have to decide the Feds (Biden) have already allowed you to be pardoned [1] but a Presidential Pardon only applies to federal crimes so if a state convicted you (quite common!) then it does nothing. By default, if an action you did was illegal at the time of performance & conviction then you'll remain in prison if the action becomes legal later on and won't be a valid basis of appeal. Your only hope is for a pardon. [1]: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/presidential-proclamation-marijuana-possession https://www.justice.gov/pardon/presidential-proclamation-mar...

godelski 3y ago

> Do they keep all the people who are in the system because of something related to weed in, or do you let them go? Easy, you let them go. You shouldn't be in jail for something that is legal. Now, if there's more to the crime than possession (and honestly I don't personally care about distribution), then that's a different story. But that different story needs to include something that is illegal with current laws.

brnaftr361 3y ago
Which like... If you were a prisoner for instance, how do you think you'd feel if they pretty much admitted that "Hey, we were wrong, we put you up for x years." Personally I think it makes it tantamount to false imprisonment and a miscarriage of justice, and blatantly admitting to fault with no reluctance whatsoever. Not to mention in any cases where it the crime was registered as - felonious we're talking the restoration of rights to these folks. But then there's damages. I was refused an entry level job at a convenience store over possession/consumption charges which at the time had occurred 4 years prior. Those were misdemeanor charges. How many people have had their balls busted over "trafficking of a controlled substance" because they were on an interstate, wound up with a felony charge, probation, prison/jail time, and a record that haunted them for years. I went straight because I had a decent job laid in my lap that turned a blind eye to my record - a lot of people in a lot of places won't have that opportunity. And if they acknowledge that, then they'll also have to acknowledge that they were also reasonably at fault for poor outcomes which proceeded from their intervention. You go into the College of Criminals with an AS in potsmoking and graduate with a PhD in dealing meth and an MS in criminal violence - no surprise the recidivism rate is so high.

lesuorac 3y ago

> Do they keep all the people who are in the system because of something related to weed in, or do you let them go? That's something each state will have to decide the Feds (Biden) have already allowed you to be pardoned [1] but a Presidential Pardon only applies to federal crimes so if a state convicted you (quite common!) then it does nothing. By default, if an action you did was illegal at the time of performance & conviction then you'll remain in prison if the action becomes legal later on and won't be a valid basis of appeal. Your only hope is for a pardon. [1]: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/presidential-proclamation-marijuana-possession https://www.justice.gov/pardon/presidential-proclamation-mar...